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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9358124" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Yeah, but I thought your point was ask anyone who has never played D&amp;D about a Wizard or Sorcerer ...If you ask people who have never played D&amp;D about a Cleric, Monk or Druid you are going to get Pope Francis, Saint Benedict and crazy Barbarians participating in human sacrifice during the Roman era.No, they are almost never associated with Martial Arts.Benedictians, Fransiscans, Shaolin, Bhikku, Friar Tuck (who was a fat beer drinker).This is like saying nuns are associated with martial arts as nuns are the females in the Monastic orders.The only Monks associated with Martial Arts are Bushido and I don't think many people think of them when you ask &quot;what is a Monk&quot;.Heck most Chinese and Indians, who together compose almost half the world population, probably assume you mean some of the Uygers or people in Tibet.It has nothing to do with D&amp;D versions.&nbsp; Early as in during Roman times when Druids were Barbarians and Caesar wrote about them (which is where most of the history comes from)&nbsp; vs late as in the late middle Ages after their tribes had been eradicated by the English and those remaining were an ethnic group integrated into English culture and acting as primarily as jesters.None of the D&amp;D Druids are even remotely representative of actual Druids.But the people we are talking about are people who do not play RPGs right?Fighter is not meaningful at all in modern society.&nbsp; If you ask someone what a fighter is, they are going to think you are talking about a fast, maneuverable aircraft used to shoot down other aircraft. There is no thing defined as a medieval fighter IRL.&nbsp; I suppose that might come to mind because you are talking about someone who fights, but equally if you said &quot;Armor-wearer&quot; those things would come to mind too, and if you took out the Medieval conteext and just asked a random person on the street what a fighter is, I don't think a Knight is what would come to mind at all.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you specify a person they will think someone who fights - a gang member or a Boxer or perhaps an MMA fighter. If you asked them what a Paladin was, it is in fact a Knight that would come to mind.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9358124, member: 7030563"] Yeah, but I thought your point was ask anyone who has never played D&D about a Wizard or Sorcerer ... If you ask people who have never played D&D about a Cleric, Monk or Druid you are going to get Pope Francis, Saint Benedict and crazy Barbarians participating in human sacrifice during the Roman era. No, they are almost never associated with Martial Arts. Benedictians, Fransiscans, Shaolin, Bhikku, Friar Tuck (who was a fat beer drinker). This is like saying nuns are associated with martial arts as nuns are the females in the Monastic orders. The only Monks associated with Martial Arts are Bushido and I don't think many people think of them when you ask "what is a Monk". Heck most Chinese and Indians, who together compose almost half the world population, probably assume you mean some of the Uygers or people in Tibet. It has nothing to do with D&D versions. Early as in during Roman times when Druids were Barbarians and Caesar wrote about them (which is where most of the history comes from) vs late as in the late middle Ages after their tribes had been eradicated by the English and those remaining were an ethnic group integrated into English culture and acting as primarily as jesters. None of the D&D Druids are even remotely representative of actual Druids. But the people we are talking about are people who do not play RPGs right? Fighter is not meaningful at all in modern society. If you ask someone what a fighter is, they are going to think you are talking about a fast, maneuverable aircraft used to shoot down other aircraft. There is no thing defined as a medieval fighter IRL. I suppose that might come to mind because you are talking about someone who fights, but equally if you said "Armor-wearer" those things would come to mind too, and if you took out the Medieval conteext and just asked a random person on the street what a fighter is, I don't think a Knight is what would come to mind at all. If you specify a person they will think someone who fights - a gang member or a Boxer or perhaps an MMA fighter. If you asked them what a Paladin was, it is in fact a Knight that would come to mind. [/QUOTE]

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