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Message: <blockquote data-quote="W'rkncacnter" data-source="post: 9365836" data-attributes="member: 7033455">because that's a cavalier. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />but seriously, ignoring that you're already pigeonholing your options down to suboptimal ones by single classing fighter, you have a bunch of better options just in the fighter. cavaliers, again, are much closer to archetypical knights with how they work with a mount (knights were cavalry units), though cavaliers have their problems what with mounts not always being practical. the samurai has a similar persuasion boost to the banneret, but lets you really lean into the fighter's main advantage (attacking). and the battle master has options for (temp) healing, protecting your allies, giving them additional attacks, and gaining bonuses to various skill checks (including persuasion), without having them take your base class resources like the banneret does (and sure, the skill checks do take subclass resources where the banneret's persuasion boost doesn't...but let's be honest, you're probably not your party's main face as a fighter regardless of subclass).in comparison, the banneret basically boils down to "when you use your main class resources, you can give your allies a discount version of the same effects". and that's not terrible, but it means if you want to get good use of your subclass, you need to time what would otherwise be pure self-buffs with whenever it'd also best benefit your party, which makes your base class features significantly more situational then they otherwise would be. no other fighter subclass does that. the only part of the banneret that doesn't make you worry about that is the persuasion boost, which...i mean, okay, cool, i can be an off-face, but i could also do that as a samurai or battle master, and if i do that then i don't need to worry about saving my base class resources for when i can buff my class.so in short, you can get a lot of similar effects from other subclasses, those subclasses can represent the concept of knighthood at least as well if not better, and those subclasses don't force you to completely change how you use your base class abilities. so, hey, pick banneret if you want, but you can definitely do better.and i didn't even get into echo or eldritch knights...</blockquote>

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