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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mellored" data-source="post: 7319824" data-attributes="member: 6801209">A single level 8 barbarian attack does 2d6+7 = 14A single level 8 cleric attack does 2d8+5 = 14A single level 8 dragon sorcerer firebolt does 2d10+5 = 16Granting a single attack is very much on par with using a cantrip.  You will, at most, deal 50% of whatever damage your allies deal.  Usually less since you don't get to benefit from things like action surge, flurry of blows.Really, your much better off giving a fighter advantage for 2 attacks (greater invisibility), then 1 additional attack (haste).  Even more so if they have sharpshooter.Compaire it to what can already be done.For instance...Level 8 divine soul sorcerer can cast hastes for each battle a day (using 5 SP to create a slot), has 7 casts of healing word, and firebolt.  Plus option for other spells, like fireball, raise dead, and such.Level 11 divine soul can twin-haste all day.  And level 17 can twin-greater invisibility all day.I would remove the +2 AC and force them to use up all their actions each turn (so no firebolts) to compensate for no risk of exhaustion and a d8 hit die.Also, rogues can use haste to attack and ready an attack, getting double sneak attack.  Though that's a bit of a loophole, so i wouldn't balance around it.So, a balanced level 8 Tactician might...*grant an attack as an action (on their own turn like haste)*grant movement as a bonus action (half-speed, but no OA).*grant advantage on dex saves as a reaction*Heal for 60 HP.  Or 80 HP out of combat.*Attack for 11 damage on his own (only if it doesn't grants an attack).But still, a martial support class has plenty of room to explore, beyond simply 4e attack granting.  As you say, this is a new edition.So just use the warlord as a starting place, and expand to other ideas.  Add in all the other non-magic, non-damage sub-classes you can think of.Like maybe a smith.  Who repairs everone's weapon armor between battles.Or someone who can use intimidate to cause fear.Or a non-magical bard.etc...</blockquote>

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