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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7323959">Agreed.  I've backed away from this...illustration...a couple of times already.Oh boy.  I JUST re-explained this...again...to Aldarc.  I don't love those other abilities you are talking about.  If we ever had threads discussing them I would probably chime in.  But having them dispersed makes them less offensive.  The classes they are in have concepts much larger than those abilities.It's the idea of concentrating them all in one class that really bugs me.To improve on the already wonderful analogy I gave Aldarc: a few things I dislike are rapiers, dual-wielding, Dexadins, and Drow as player characters.  But somehow I struggle through each day anyway.  If we were discussing a new Paladin sub-class that was restricted to Drow and had abilities designed around dual-wielding rapiers I would be pretty vocally opposed.Far more so.  It might get tiring whenever you keep insisting that your Bard is non-magical (because your insistence on "non-magical" I find just as illogical as you find my stance on Warlords) but it would be far, far better than a whole class designed around non-magical inspiration.  Fluff matters to me.  [quoteNumber 4 - EVERY single poll that we've done on this shows warlords to be in the top three most wanted class.  Every time.  Well, every time that they have included warlords on the list.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  It's pretty frustrating to see WotC talk about class popularity of former edition classes and then leave warlords off the poll.  But, at the end of the day, warlords top (or show up near the top) of every single poll.  It's frustrating to see this year after year and still get absolutely no movement on the issue, mostly because the discussion gets so poisoned and toxic by edition warring rhetoric, even years after the fact.</blockquote>Every poll done on Enworld?  You...you do realize what a skewed sample set that is, in so many ways.  I mean, even ignoring the probable concentration of the kind of people who miss 3.5e and 4e, relative to the (new, much larger) D&D population as a whole, there's also the reality that probably everybody who could care less about Warlords sees yet another class poll and rolls their eyes, ignoring it like the plague because they know it's going to be another debate about Warlords.  Meanwhile the Warlord proponents think, "Yes!  Another opportunity to blind people with the shining Light of Truth!  Count me in!"  (Or something to that effect).  I would have skipped this poll except the "None...D&D is already perfect in every way" was so irksome and biased that I had to jump in.The only reason I have these debates about Warlords is in the hope of getting some of you to realize that there's a simple, non-conspiracy-theory explanation: there's an aspect of the Warlord concept that is different from every other class, and some people think we shouldn't go there.I may find myself unable to resist coming back in, but with that I'm going to try my best to exit this particular debate.  Happy gaming.[/QUOTE]

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