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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Norfleet" data-source="post: 1167399" data-attributes="member: 11581">Well, logically, it would suggest that spell turning, if active, occurs first: Spell turning is a defensive shield designed to repel magical attacks BEFORE they affect you. This is further substantiated by the fact that spell turning is ineffective against touch spells: Because the spell is discharged on contact, it has already passed through the shield. Spell turning similarly isn't described as affecting spells that the wearer casts on himself: It would be silly to return the spell back to the caster anyway, since the caster is already doing that. Logically, it can be reasoned that such a spell begins and ends "inside" the protective field of spell turning, and as such, never comes into affect.Of course, the easiest solution, as a bastard DM, is, "Whatever screws players over more."</blockquote>