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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rodrigo Istalindir" data-source="post: 1520350" data-attributes="member: 2810">What if you want to play a scouting type that doesn't want to sneak-attack?  Same deal.  A barbarian is, among other things, a rage-fueled war-machine.  If it's not raging, it might be a barbarian, but it's not a Barbarian (tm).  What if you don't have 15 different splat books at your disposal that allow you to cherry-pick class abilities?Mongols are clearly barbarians with a little 'B'.  The Mongol better fits a dedicated warrior stereotype.   Stop thinking of 'barbarian' in a cultural sense as opposed to as a class.  Although, they shouldn't have added the illiteracy thing -- that just confuses the class/culture issue.Because they made it so easy and attractive to multiclass.   Want to be Conan?  Play a straight-up Barbarian.  Want to play a slave raised in the gladiator pits?  Play a Barb1/FighterX, and get that little desperation surge of adrenalin when your back is to the wall.  Or how about a tireless bounty hunter that always gets his man?  Barb/Ranger, for the extra speed and tracking.Sure, pretty much.  If you are wearing plate, you're not a Dex fighter.  But more to the point, I know what you can't do.  You can't shrug off wounds as easily (DR), you can't outrun me (fast movement), you can't ignore traps and sneak attacks (evasion), or sneak past the guards (Hide as a class skill).  All of which the Barbarian can do.Not really, any more than I do with the fighter.  I don't know whether or not you are a bow user, or two-handed, or sword and board.  Don't know if I have to fear AoO's (combat reflexes), or if you fear mine (spring attack).  The core clasess are perfectly fine, enjoyable, playable and survivable with just the core books.  And that's one big reason why the Barbarian is the way he is (and the Paladin, for that matter).   With just the core books, you don't have the overabundance of feats, especially ones that mimic core class abilities.</blockquote>

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