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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4603390" data-attributes="member: 35909">Other good plot games:-Legend of Dragoon: It has a lot of stereotypical characters and common plot twists, but the basic story is still lengthy and rich.&nbsp; So much happens on the first disc (of 4) that it felt like its own game.&nbsp; Maybe I was blind or too young when I played it to know my plot twists, but the revelations at the end of disc 3 really surprised me.&nbsp; Not just the identity of the enemy that had been trumpeted around like a potential final boss, but how the main character transitioned from anger and the seeking of revenge to forgiveness and understanding.-Super Mario RPG: I just like how they lampooned the plot of all the previous Mario games by &quot;resolving&quot; it in the first several minutes, only to uncover the real plot.&nbsp; That and how the game managed to be so incredibly funny without taking away from the story or the urgency of stopping the Smithy Gang.&nbsp; Mallow is one of the most memorable characters from any game I've ever played.Heh, yeah 4 is pretty bad compared to the other Sukodens.&nbsp; It's still an ok game, just...play the others first if you can.&nbsp; And try to find humor in the insanely high random encounter rate, lest you just get angry and quit.&nbsp; Plot-wise, it was definitely the wak link of the series.As for FF...I should have mentioned 3/6, 7, and Tactics are the only ones I've fully played through.&nbsp; I'm sure there are other FF titles with great plots (except 10 and 10-2, never playing those).&nbsp; As for saying 7 had a good plot, well...it did.&nbsp; I am captain of the &quot;FF 7 is over rated&quot; team, and didn't even think the Aeris &quot;scene&quot; (for those few who it would be a spoiler for) was staged well/convincingly, nevermind not least bit tragic.&nbsp; But, it did have an interested, troubled main character, and the backstories for many of the others were pretty deep as well.&nbsp; There are still dozens of better CRPGs to play than FF7, of course.I love Baldur's Gate, and it has an amazing cast of characters.&nbsp; It's definitely my favorite computer RPG, particularly 2.&nbsp; The main issue I had with it (BG 2) for plot was the main villain.&nbsp; Yeah, he was a great villain and I wanted to kick his teeth down his throat.&nbsp; But his motivation for doing everything...just seemed bland to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 4603390, member: 35909"] Other good plot games: -Legend of Dragoon: It has a lot of stereotypical characters and common plot twists, but the basic story is still lengthy and rich. So much happens on the first disc (of 4) that it felt like its own game. Maybe I was blind or too young when I played it to know my plot twists, but the revelations at the end of disc 3 really surprised me. Not just the identity of the enemy that had been trumpeted around like a potential final boss, but how the main character transitioned from anger and the seeking of revenge to forgiveness and understanding. -Super Mario RPG: I just like how they lampooned the plot of all the previous Mario games by "resolving" it in the first several minutes, only to uncover the real plot. That and how the game managed to be so incredibly funny without taking away from the story or the urgency of stopping the Smithy Gang. Mallow is one of the most memorable characters from any game I've ever played. Heh, yeah 4 is pretty bad compared to the other Sukodens. It's still an ok game, just...play the others first if you can. And try to find humor in the insanely high random encounter rate, lest you just get angry and quit. Plot-wise, it was definitely the wak link of the series. As for FF...I should have mentioned 3/6, 7, and Tactics are the only ones I've fully played through. I'm sure there are other FF titles with great plots (except 10 and 10-2, never playing those). As for saying 7 had a good plot, well...it did. I am captain of the "FF 7 is over rated" team, and didn't even think the Aeris "scene" (for those few who it would be a spoiler for) was staged well/convincingly, nevermind not least bit tragic. But, it did have an interested, troubled main character, and the backstories for many of the others were pretty deep as well. There are still dozens of better CRPGs to play than FF7, of course. I love Baldur's Gate, and it has an amazing cast of characters. It's definitely my favorite computer RPG, particularly 2. The main issue I had with it (BG 2) for plot was the main villain. Yeah, he was a great villain and I wanted to kick his teeth down his throat. But his motivation for doing everything...just seemed bland to me. [/QUOTE]

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