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<blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6090718" data-attributes="member: 17106">Those rules that are external to the class are not irrelevant, but they're not really part of the class either. Feats and spells are simple examples of modular design elements that are optional both from the player and DM perspective. If DM's don't like Natural Spell (or polymorphs, or divinations, or whatever), they can ban or change those things without changing the class itself. I'd argue that a druid without access to Natural Spell or with a PF polyorph is still a druid, while a druid with d6 HD, poor BAB, and the bard spell progression is not a druid, it's a modified or different class.The reason I call the druid the most powerful is not because it gets access to the best spells or feats, but because the things actually in its description outweigh the other classes; druids have decent values in almost every major commodity (BAB, HD, skills, etc.) and a number of useful class abilities. The same logic applies to fighters. There is a problem with high-level fighter feats not being worthwhile, but that's not the class itself. The problem with the class itself is that besides the BAB and feats, it doesn't get much. Saves and skills are unimpressive, and there are a lot of dead levels. Both the classes and the feats are separate, but relevant considerations.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ahnehnois, post: 6090718, member: 17106"] Those rules that are external to the class are not irrelevant, but they're not really part of the class either. Feats and spells are simple examples of modular design elements that are optional both from the player and DM perspective. If DM's don't like Natural Spell (or polymorphs, or divinations, or whatever), they can ban or change those things without changing the class itself. I'd argue that a druid without access to Natural Spell or with a PF polyorph is still a druid, while a druid with d6 HD, poor BAB, and the bard spell progression is not a druid, it's a modified or different class. The reason I call the druid the most powerful is not because it gets access to the best spells or feats, but because the things actually in its description outweigh the other classes; druids have decent values in almost every major commodity (BAB, HD, skills, etc.) and a number of useful class abilities. The same logic applies to fighters. There is a problem with high-level fighter feats not being worthwhile, but that's not the class itself. The problem with the class itself is that besides the BAB and feats, it doesn't get much. Saves and skills are unimpressive, and there are a lot of dead levels. Both the classes and the feats are separate, but relevant considerations. [/QUOTE]

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