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<blockquote data-quote="cyderak" data-source="post: 5463522" data-attributes="member: 16003">4E turned the &quot;Fluff&quot; of D&amp;D on its ass.&nbsp; Killed off every iconic character that I thought was cool just by simply dying of old age because when they designed 4E they fast forwarded 200 years into the future.&nbsp; The fluff was the epitomy of, &quot;If it aint broke,&nbsp; don't fix it&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; Not to mention the 4E mechanics,&nbsp; in my opinion,&nbsp; are an o.k. rules system but are just not D&amp;D.&nbsp; Should have just used 4E mechanics for Gamma World and gone the Pathfinder route by basically creating D&amp;D 3.75.Oh well.&nbsp; Hindsight is 20/20.&nbsp; Lookin back its still a bit fuzzy.For a while there i was,&nbsp; for censorship sake,&nbsp; angered. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad&nbsp; &nbsp; :mad:"&nbsp; data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" />&nbsp; But after a while I saw the up-sides of Pathfinder.1.) My favorite game system (D&amp;D 3.5) is in the hands of a company who listens to their fans.&nbsp; But at the same time passing on the gamer advice that just screams of &quot;lack of common sense&quot;.&nbsp; In short,&nbsp; Smart decision making.2.) Its not owned by a huge conglomerate bent on making quantity over quality when it comes to books.&nbsp; I'd rather have 4, really awesome,&nbsp; thoroughly play-tested books come out in a year than 20 rush-job books to choose from.3.) I am a &quot;Covert Gamer&quot;.&nbsp; Meaning,&nbsp; I don't profess it to the world that I play an RPG.&nbsp; Everyone i know outside my game group is very judgemental and it isn't worth the argument.&nbsp; My wife is very understanding.&nbsp; My kids don't really understand why,&nbsp; or even what we are doing.&nbsp; So when I say,&nbsp; &quot;I play Pathfinder&quot;.&nbsp; People just think its a boardgame.&nbsp; Who am I to correect them.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />4.) I'm gonna have to take a mulligan on the whole &quot;Fluff&quot; factor.&nbsp; Its a new setting,&nbsp; which is basically where i'd be if I stayed with D&amp;D 4th ed.It'll be interesting to see where it all goes.&nbsp; 4E and Pathfinder,&nbsp; whether we like it or not, will always be compared to each other.&nbsp; For obvious reasons.&nbsp; If we all just respect everyones choice to play whatever game they want to play and their opinions on the subject,&nbsp; we're good to go.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="cyderak, post: 5463522, member: 16003"] 4E turned the "Fluff" of D&D on its ass. Killed off every iconic character that I thought was cool just by simply dying of old age because when they designed 4E they fast forwarded 200 years into the future. The fluff was the epitomy of, "If it aint broke, don't fix it". Not to mention the 4E mechanics, in my opinion, are an o.k. rules system but are just not D&D. Should have just used 4E mechanics for Gamma World and gone the Pathfinder route by basically creating D&D 3.75. Oh well. Hindsight is 20/20. Lookin back its still a bit fuzzy. For a while there i was, for censorship sake, angered. :mad: But after a while I saw the up-sides of Pathfinder. 1.) My favorite game system (D&D 3.5) is in the hands of a company who listens to their fans. But at the same time passing on the gamer advice that just screams of "lack of common sense". In short, Smart decision making. 2.) Its not owned by a huge conglomerate bent on making quantity over quality when it comes to books. I'd rather have 4, really awesome, thoroughly play-tested books come out in a year than 20 rush-job books to choose from. 3.) I am a "Covert Gamer". Meaning, I don't profess it to the world that I play an RPG. Everyone i know outside my game group is very judgemental and it isn't worth the argument. My wife is very understanding. My kids don't really understand why, or even what we are doing. So when I say, "I play Pathfinder". People just think its a boardgame. Who am I to correect them. :lol: 4.) I'm gonna have to take a mulligan on the whole "Fluff" factor. Its a new setting, which is basically where i'd be if I stayed with D&D 4th ed. It'll be interesting to see where it all goes. 4E and Pathfinder, whether we like it or not, will always be compared to each other. For obvious reasons. If we all just respect everyones choice to play whatever game they want to play and their opinions on the subject, we're good to go. [/QUOTE]

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