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<blockquote data-quote="Beginning of the End" data-source="post: 5464097" data-attributes="member: 55271">A rather gross (and almost nonsensical) misreading of his post. It's possible he was implicitly including OD&amp;D in his post, but there are no 10th level elves to be found there, either.Perhaps you're unaware that the game bifurcated in 1977?The original poster wrote: &quot;...now convert from up (sic) one version from the one immediatly (sic) before&quot;. There are two paths you can follow with that:OD&amp;D -&gt; Holmes -&gt; Moldvay/Cook/Marsh -&gt; BECMI -&gt; Rules CyclopediaOD&amp;D -&gt; AD&amp;D1 -&gt; AD&amp;D2 -&gt; D&amp;D3 -&gt; D&amp;D4In the latter track (which is what the OP was explicitly talking about), there are no 10th level elves.In the former track, 10th level elves first appear in Moldvay/Cook/Marsh. Converting to BECMI and then to the Rules Cyclopedia would consist of saying, &quot;My 10th level elf is a 10th level elf.&quot; both times.Hardly the impossible conundrum Cirno suggests.That was, in fact, exactly what I was recalling.But, oddly, this poses no real difficulty in converting your AD&amp;D1 Bard to AD&amp;D2. You've got a Fighter 5/Thief 5/Bard 5. How do you convert that to AD&amp;D2? It's a straight-up dual-class.Wham. Bam. Done.The OP explicitly said the conversion might require some decision-making.Equating &quot;there's one case where fixing a broken rule causes the conversion of an AD&amp;D2 to D&amp;D3 character to be slightly complicated&quot; to &quot;every single character needs to be re-designed from the ground-up&quot; is like saying that D&amp;D3 and D&amp;D4 are identical because D&amp;D3 barbarians had that one encounter-based class ability.It's a blatantly false equivalence.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Beginning of the End, post: 5464097, member: 55271"] A rather gross (and almost nonsensical) misreading of his post. It's possible he was implicitly including OD&D in his post, but there are no 10th level elves to be found there, either. Perhaps you're unaware that the game bifurcated in 1977? The original poster wrote: "...now convert from up (sic) one version from the one immediatly (sic) before". There are two paths you can follow with that: OD&D -> Holmes -> Moldvay/Cook/Marsh -> BECMI -> Rules Cyclopedia OD&D -> AD&D1 -> AD&D2 -> D&D3 -> D&D4 In the latter track (which is what the OP was explicitly talking about), there are no 10th level elves. In the former track, 10th level elves first appear in Moldvay/Cook/Marsh. Converting to BECMI and then to the Rules Cyclopedia would consist of saying, "My 10th level elf is a 10th level elf." both times. Hardly the impossible conundrum Cirno suggests. That was, in fact, exactly what I was recalling. But, oddly, this poses no real difficulty in converting your AD&D1 Bard to AD&D2. You've got a Fighter 5/Thief 5/Bard 5. How do you convert that to AD&D2? It's a straight-up dual-class. Wham. Bam. Done. The OP explicitly said the conversion might require some decision-making. Equating "there's one case where fixing a broken rule causes the conversion of an AD&D2 to D&D3 character to be slightly complicated" to "every single character needs to be re-designed from the ground-up" is like saying that D&D3 and D&D4 are identical because D&D3 barbarians had that one encounter-based class ability. It's a blatantly false equivalence. [/QUOTE]

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