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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9576317" data-attributes="member: 6801845">I've never cared for turn undead as a whole, it's far too swingy and makes setting up challenging encounters with undead a pain in the ass.&nbsp; Have a zombie swarm?&nbsp; Do I need to decide what percentage is going to be turned? What happens if the cleric just happened to have used their channel divinity on something else and doesn't have the channel divinity when I expected it?&nbsp; There's always going to be a certain level of uncertainty where AOEs are concerned but no other AOE at the level that turn undead comes online will regularly turn a deadly encounter into an easy encounter if I just happen to roll bad for team undead.&nbsp; So while I like the 5E.24 because it lets you deal damage to those you don't turn, I actually prefer the 4E rules.&nbsp; In 4E the result is damage and an effect that is useful but doesn't have the chance to effectively eliminate every enemy in the encounter.&nbsp; It makes it a lot easier to plan.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 9576317, member: 6801845"] I've never cared for turn undead as a whole, it's far too swingy and makes setting up challenging encounters with undead a pain in the ass. Have a zombie swarm? Do I need to decide what percentage is going to be turned? What happens if the cleric just happened to have used their channel divinity on something else and doesn't have the channel divinity when I expected it? There's always going to be a certain level of uncertainty where AOEs are concerned but no other AOE at the level that turn undead comes online will regularly turn a deadly encounter into an easy encounter if I just happen to roll bad for team undead. So while I like the 5E.24 because it lets you deal damage to those you don't turn, I actually prefer the 4E rules. In 4E the result is damage and an effect that is useful but doesn't have the chance to effectively eliminate every enemy in the encounter. It makes it a lot easier to plan. [/QUOTE]

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