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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 8117839" data-attributes="member: 15700">Well, then that argument that no classes have spells would be absurd.&nbsp; Especially since 4e literally describes a power in the exact same way a spell has been described in other editions, and literally uses the word &quot;magic&quot; under the definition of certain power sources.&nbsp; And the last sentence for arcane power sources is &quot;Arcane powers are called spells.&quot;&nbsp; So yeah, to argue that no class in 4e has spells seems pretty ridiculous and a silly argument to make.Even under martial powers, it says &quot;Martial powers are not magic in the traditionalsense, although some martial powers stand well beyond thecapabilities of ordinary mortals.&quot;So it's not unreasonable or unusual for someone to see how some powers works and even if they aren't &quot;magical in the traditional sense&quot;, treat them as if they are magical in some sense.&nbsp; Otherwise the book would have said &quot;these aren't magical at all&quot; instead of &quot;not in the traditional sense.&quot;and more to the point, someone who views some of those supernatural powers similar to magic, shouldn't be immediately called hyperbolic, inferences that they aren't smart enough to understand, and deserves to be laughed at in riducule.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 8117839, member: 15700"] Well, then that argument that no classes have spells would be absurd. Especially since 4e literally describes a power in the exact same way a spell has been described in other editions, and literally uses the word "magic" under the definition of certain power sources. And the last sentence for arcane power sources is "Arcane powers are called spells." So yeah, to argue that no class in 4e has spells seems pretty ridiculous and a silly argument to make. Even under martial powers, it says "Martial powers are not magic in the traditional sense, although some martial powers stand well beyond the capabilities of ordinary mortals." So it's not unreasonable or unusual for someone to see how some powers works and even if they aren't "magical in the traditional sense", treat them as if they are magical in some sense. Otherwise the book would have said "these aren't magical at all" instead of "not in the traditional sense." and more to the point, someone who views some of those supernatural powers similar to magic, shouldn't be immediately called hyperbolic, inferences that they aren't smart enough to understand, and deserves to be laughed at in riducule. [/QUOTE]

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