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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4973808" data-attributes="member: 40961">That may be true.But I suspect that its not, really.  I suspect this attitude is really pathological.  I suspect that people who believe they have this attitude notice at the game table when their character is simply and obviously less effective at doing cool things than the other characters, and that they grow bitter about it, and make disparaging comments about everyone else being powergaming optimizers who have to be totally effective 100% of the time.  Even though the other people at the table are not optimizers in any meaningful, objective sense- they're just people who took one an obvious feat that happens to be better than every other feat in the game for every single character in the game.Every single one of these characters is improved noticeably by improving their attack rolls by 2.  I doubt any of these characters could find any feat in the entire game more valuable to them than that.  Even if they could, I doubt they could find six more valuable feats to cover the heroic tier.  I doubt they could find 12 to cover the paragon tier.  Every single one of these characters would be noticeably less effective than an identical character at the table who just took Expertise and got it over with.</blockquote>