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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 4974157" data-attributes="member: 59057">And now we are playing World of Warcraft... Even the worst built char can pull its own weight if you put your best scores in primary and secondary attribute and don´t wear the worst armor you can find. 16 in main attribute, +2 proficiency weapon and you still hit 50/50 at level 1. Not that i would advise to do so... in general But imagine a dwarven str/wis cleric who wants to be in melee. (Str 16, wis 18, dwarven weapon training) He will do good damage on ranged attacks, but if cornered in melee, he will make good use of his mordenkrad. Not hitting so well, but doing tons of damage and healing himself at least 3 times per combat with a minor action. Try to convince this player that he is doing everything wrong. even with 14 strength he would be dangerous in close combat. edit: even with 12 strength in combat he will be dangerous. And if i would focus rather on charisma than stregth as secondary attribute i would consider taking expertise for the mordenkrad to compensate.</blockquote>