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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 6823968" data-attributes="member: 20564">Umm, you aren't doing what you say.&nbsp; You said they would have four attacks with extra attack but you only count three.&nbsp; Let's try the math with the changes to the feat you are suggesting:(Assuming Fighting style of defense for polearm master for +1 AC, and fighting style of Dual Weapon for two weapon so they get ability to damage.&nbsp; ACs are even - +1 from either style or feat.&nbsp; 16 Strength)Polearm MasterAction:&nbsp; Attack twice w/ Polearm.&nbsp; 2x d10+3.&nbsp; Bonus: off end d4+3Total:&nbsp; 2d10(11)+4 + d4(2.5)+3 = avg 22.5Your Two Weapon fightingAction:&nbsp; Attack twice w/ Longsword 2x d8+4, twice with shortsword 2x d6+4, Bonus:&nbsp; FREE TO USETotal:&nbsp; 2d8(9)+6 + 2d6(7)+6 = avg 28So it starts doing more than 40% more damage than Polearm Master plus leaves you with a free bonus action.But it goes on from there.&nbsp; Lots of weapon-focused classes add to damage.&nbsp; Let me show these over two rounds to show the action economy at work.Ranger can cast hunter's mark.&nbsp; The polearm loses an off-end attack (since it's a bonus action) and gains +d6 per hit.PolearmRound 1:&nbsp; 2d10(11)+6 + 2d6(7) = 24 (no offside, need bonus action to cast)Round 2:&nbsp; 2d10(11)+6 + d4(2.5)+3 + 3d6(10.5) = avg 33Total:&nbsp; 57Your two weapon proposalRound 1:&nbsp; 2d8(9)+6 + 2d6(7)+6 + 4d6(14) = avg 42&nbsp; (bonus action to cast hunter's mark)Round 2:&nbsp; 2d8(9)+6 + 2d6(7)+6 + 4d6(14) = avg 42&nbsp; (bonus action FREE)Total:&nbsp; 84Basically, it starts as much powerful in terms of damage done vs. one of the tier 1 combat feats PLUS helping in action economy, and it goes sharply upwards from there where you start adding to per-attack damage.I stand by my evaluation of immensely powerful.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 6823968, member: 20564"] Umm, you aren't doing what you say. You said they would have four attacks with extra attack but you only count three. Let's try the math with the changes to the feat you are suggesting: (Assuming Fighting style of defense for polearm master for +1 AC, and fighting style of Dual Weapon for two weapon so they get ability to damage. ACs are even - +1 from either style or feat. 16 Strength) Polearm Master Action: Attack twice w/ Polearm. 2x d10+3. Bonus: off end d4+3 Total: 2d10(11)+4 + d4(2.5)+3 = avg 22.5 Your Two Weapon fighting Action: Attack twice w/ Longsword 2x d8+4, twice with shortsword 2x d6+4, Bonus: FREE TO USE Total: 2d8(9)+6 + 2d6(7)+6 = avg 28 [B]So it starts doing more than 40% more damage than Polearm Master plus leaves you with a free bonus action.[/B] But it goes on from there. Lots of weapon-focused classes add to damage. Let me show these over two rounds to show the action economy at work. Ranger can cast hunter's mark. The polearm loses an off-end attack (since it's a bonus action) and gains +d6 per hit. Polearm Round 1: 2d10(11)+6 + 2d6(7) = 24 (no offside, need bonus action to cast) Round 2: 2d10(11)+6 + d4(2.5)+3 + 3d6(10.5) = avg 33 Total: 57 Your two weapon proposal Round 1: 2d8(9)+6 + 2d6(7)+6 + 4d6(14) = avg 42 (bonus action to cast hunter's mark) Round 2: 2d8(9)+6 + 2d6(7)+6 + 4d6(14) = avg 42 (bonus action FREE) Total: 84 Basically, it starts as much powerful in terms of damage done vs. one of the tier 1 combat feats PLUS helping in action economy, and it goes sharply upwards from there where you start adding to per-attack damage. I stand by my evaluation of immensely powerful. [/QUOTE]

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