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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 4565812" data-attributes="member: 18280"><p>I don't find this argument compelling. If the name "D&D" was slapped on Monopoly, Monopoly would not be D&D. Moreover, there are several games (Basic Fantasy, Labyrinth Lord, OSIRC) that <em><strong>don't</strong></em> have "D&D" on the cover, but sure seem like D&D to me.</p><p></p><p>I do think that there are some intrinsic elements that are required for the game to qualify as "D&D"......but these elements seem to vary greatly from person to person.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are right....the OP is offering a false dilemma.</p><p></p><p>All editions of D&D are <strong>awesome</strong> to some folks.</p><p></p><p>And they're <strong>all </strong>D&D to some folks. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>I don't find wotc-d&d nearly as awesome as tsr-D&D, although I do think that 3.0 included some awesome improvements. 4e offers some fixes for problems 3e caused, but doesn't trigger my awesome-o-meter very much at all. EDIT: You could also say that all editions are deeply flawed, but different people are more adept about working around different types of flaws.</p><p></p><p>I'll grant you happily that, to me, they're still all D&D, but I can also see where, to other folks, they might not be.</p><p></p><p>(Shrug)</p><p></p><p>In the end it matters very little what someone else feels is awesome, or feels is D&D, so long as you have a game you enjoy playing, and people you enjoy playing it with.</p><p></p><p></p><p>RC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 4565812, member: 18280"] I don't find this argument compelling. If the name "D&D" was slapped on Monopoly, Monopoly would not be D&D. Moreover, there are several games (Basic Fantasy, Labyrinth Lord, OSIRC) that [i][b]don't[/b][/i][b][/b] have "D&D" on the cover, but sure seem like D&D to me. I do think that there are some intrinsic elements that are required for the game to qualify as "D&D"......but these elements seem to vary greatly from person to person. You are right....the OP is offering a false dilemma. All editions of D&D are [B]awesome[/B] to some folks. And they're [B]all [/B]D&D to some folks. ;) I don't find wotc-d&d nearly as awesome as tsr-D&D, although I do think that 3.0 included some awesome improvements. 4e offers some fixes for problems 3e caused, but doesn't trigger my awesome-o-meter very much at all. EDIT: You could also say that all editions are deeply flawed, but different people are more adept about working around different types of flaws. I'll grant you happily that, to me, they're still all D&D, but I can also see where, to other folks, they might not be. (Shrug) In the end it matters very little what someone else feels is awesome, or feels is D&D, so long as you have a game you enjoy playing, and people you enjoy playing it with. RC [/QUOTE]
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