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<blockquote data-quote="two" data-source="post: 1164748" data-attributes="member: 9002">Good point!!&nbsp;-- I play with the most cowardly wizards you have ever seen... in a normal campaign, wizards/monks will die fastest, you are right.The best defense/good offense argument might pan out at high levels (doing 100 points per round on average vs. a Balor is, well, very nice), however the barbarian under discussion is a Barb1.&nbsp; I don't think it's the way to go at low levels.There is also the &quot;damage overkill&quot; issue; 2 handed raging barbarian1 with str=22 only gets 1 attack per round (without cleave).&nbsp; Yippie, you hit the goblin for 17 points of damage; that's 10 more than you needed to kill it.&nbsp; Meaning, you don't need to do HUGE amounts of damage a low levels.&nbsp; You just need to survive.&nbsp; That's why I think a str=13 or str=14 barbarian is just fine (str=17/18 when raging).&nbsp; Damage output is completely excellent for 1st-3rd levels, either with 1 or 2 handed weapons.&nbsp; More is often, well, just more (overkill, as it were).Really, I can't begin to tell you how many times a barbarian hits something and the DM says &quot;just stop counting it's way dead.&quot;&nbsp; Oh, if you could only &quot;excess&quot; damage done to an enemy for the next blow!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="two, post: 1164748, member: 9002"] Good point!! -- I play with the most cowardly wizards you have ever seen... in a normal campaign, wizards/monks will die fastest, you are right. The best defense/good offense argument might pan out at high levels (doing 100 points per round on average vs. a Balor is, well, very nice), however the barbarian under discussion is a Barb1. I don't think it's the way to go at low levels. There is also the "damage overkill" issue; 2 handed raging barbarian1 with str=22 only gets 1 attack per round (without cleave). Yippie, you hit the goblin for 17 points of damage; that's 10 more than you needed to kill it. Meaning, you don't need to do HUGE amounts of damage a low levels. You just need to survive. That's why I think a str=13 or str=14 barbarian is just fine (str=17/18 when raging). Damage output is completely excellent for 1st-3rd levels, either with 1 or 2 handed weapons. More is often, well, just more (overkill, as it were). Really, I can't begin to tell you how many times a barbarian hits something and the DM says "just stop counting it's way dead." Oh, if you could only "excess" damage done to an enemy for the next blow! [/QUOTE]

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