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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7871673" data-attributes="member: 996">Another trick question!I'd given up on 2e years before, so maybe they miraculously fixed all the problems they'd initially kept from 1e, and introduced in complete & 'option' series books. Or, more likely, we just have very different assessments of that edition.  That was kinda the gist of the original 'CoDzilla' rant, too: that no matter how broken, bloated, and hard to keep current with, the overall system got, nothing could ever be busted much worse than the Tier 1 classes in Core.  It's not entirely wrong, but it does ignore the pernicious effects that bloat had on the Tier 2-5 classes and other existing options - including, perhaps ironically, occasionally elevating them a bit, but you missed out on it if you didn't keep up with the latest.FWIW.There is always that, yes.   The moreso with half-eds, like 3.5, which is why they held so strictly to the party line that Essentials was not a half-ed, but an alternate entry point & fully compatible (once the rest of the game had been errata'd to death - I mean, Magic Missile, alone, required how many updates to finagle in the auto-hit?).Anyway, the important point is that 5e has avoided the trap of "adding options until they start to cause problems" at the price of "feeling too limited" for 5 years and counting.  That's a plus or a strike against it, relative to PF2, depending on whether you want an adequate system more than fear a bloated one.</blockquote>

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