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Which is the better fantasy rpg and why: D&D 5e or Pathfinder 2e?
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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 7876939" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>In the past (especially during the 4e period) there were a lot of claims that WotC should take a strategy of making D&D more mainstream.  I stated that there was a fairly fixed percentage of the overall population who would ever be willing to sit around a table and pretend to be an elf and that this number would never change.  </p><p>Never say never.  I was right for a long time.  But never came much sooner than I expected.  The needle has moved.  And now I'm wrong.  </p><p></p><p>I do think it has only moved a little in terms of overall numbers.  If 1% would consider pretending to be an elf 10 years ago, then maybe 3% would today.  (totally pulled from the air numbers <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  )    I still don't think TTRPGs will ever become a common activity for the great majority of people.  But there are still two huge positives. First, it isn't the 97% still don't play.  It is that the market place has TRIPLED in size.  And, again, I have no clue what the real numbers are.  But the change really feels like X3 isn't unrealistic.  And second, the attitude of the "other 97%" has greatly changed, as this example demonstrates.  And that move from a bemused to hostile attitude to open and interested paves the way for more growth in the future.</p><p></p><p>I don't think 5E gets all the credit.  I strongly think with my totally awesome 20/20 hindsight that there have been significant cultural changes which have driven this move.  I read articles in business journals talking about the merits of of face to face RPGs and discussing how people have been benefiting for decades.  It clearly isn't just "hey this new game is suddenly awesome", people are genuinely enthusiastic about the concepts and foundations of the hobby.  But 5E truly nailed being the right game at the right time and I don't doubt for one second that this mainstream appeal game has created a 1+1 = 3 result.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 7876939, member: 957"] In the past (especially during the 4e period) there were a lot of claims that WotC should take a strategy of making D&D more mainstream. I stated that there was a fairly fixed percentage of the overall population who would ever be willing to sit around a table and pretend to be an elf and that this number would never change. Never say never. I was right for a long time. But never came much sooner than I expected. The needle has moved. And now I'm wrong. I do think it has only moved a little in terms of overall numbers. If 1% would consider pretending to be an elf 10 years ago, then maybe 3% would today. (totally pulled from the air numbers :) ) I still don't think TTRPGs will ever become a common activity for the great majority of people. But there are still two huge positives. First, it isn't the 97% still don't play. It is that the market place has TRIPLED in size. And, again, I have no clue what the real numbers are. But the change really feels like X3 isn't unrealistic. And second, the attitude of the "other 97%" has greatly changed, as this example demonstrates. And that move from a bemused to hostile attitude to open and interested paves the way for more growth in the future. I don't think 5E gets all the credit. I strongly think with my totally awesome 20/20 hindsight that there have been significant cultural changes which have driven this move. I read articles in business journals talking about the merits of of face to face RPGs and discussing how people have been benefiting for decades. It clearly isn't just "hey this new game is suddenly awesome", people are genuinely enthusiastic about the concepts and foundations of the hobby. But 5E truly nailed being the right game at the right time and I don't doubt for one second that this mainstream appeal game has created a 1+1 = 3 result. [/QUOTE]
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