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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ry" data-source="post: 3364644" data-attributes="member: 8314">Nifft - fair enough, thanks for the alternate class suggestions.Dragonblade - The multiclassing idea is pretty smart.  I should have thought of that. =)Celebrim, you're quite right that it's spells (the ones on your list and several others) that spoil mid-level play for me.  Things like detect lies, while not technically mid-level, don't usually get bought until the characters are mid level, which is why I think of them that way.Levitator, you exactly stated why I like to stick with core-ish D&D, instead of branching out to IH or Conan (which I also own) - the support.Maldor, my players LOVE getting more and more and more and more feats, but otherwise staying at the cap.  Getting to the cap is like saying "Hey, we've made it, we're badass, now we're going to get more versatile."</blockquote>