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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 8587038" data-attributes="member: 20564">This is true, but "what the rules allowed but the DM does not" is a per-table variable that really has nothing to do with the balance within an edition.  That needs be judged on the rules of the edition itself.So, for discussion of an edition, please refrain from "what a DM would do" - we are looking what is written in the PHB.It sounds like you are claiming LFQW didn't exist, or if they did it was the "DM's fault" and not part of the system.  I offer as a counterexample the entire weight of the D&D playing internet.This is a commonly accepted point about the history of our game.  Sorry, I can not accept that it didn't exist except as a DM's mistake.  And even if I did, if the rules allowed it then it still must be considered as true for the edition.One of the biggest examples in 3rd ed just using the PHB was CoDzilla - basically cleric or druid could lay so many long lasting buffs on themselves to be better than the other classes at their own specialties.  Concentration is an absolute barrier to rampant self-buffing where one might have a dozen self-cast concurrent buffs up during the day.An attempt to say a 5e caster would destroy their AD&D counterpart needs to normalize the HPs, defenses and such between them.  Look at an AD&D ogre and a 5e ogre - the 5e ogre is vastly more powerful than the AD&D one and would "destroy" it.  But that's meaningless.  They are both the appropriate challenge of ogre for their edition.  We can not pretend that all numbers and terms are edition agnostic.  We can't say that D&D 3.5 characters with +20 to hit from being 20th level are more powerful than +6 to hit from being 20th level in 5e - the numbers are are not normalized between editions.And yes, I didn't say that 5e does not have powerful casters.  But it is commonly accepted that they have brought them closer to martials in rate of power gains.</blockquote>

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