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Message: <blockquote data-quote="seankreynolds" data-source="post: 2761719" data-attributes="member: 3029">Yes, but nobody is claiming drow are exclusive to FR ... drow are in the 3E MM, after all.Let's try this again:Originally Posted by BWP:And I said:Some people here are suggesting that FR "stole" monsters from the core, pointing out that these "stolen" monsters were in the 2E MM but now appear in FR products. I'm pointing out that many of the monsters appearing in the 2E MM actually originated in FR in the first place and were put in the 2E MM as "generic" monsters, so any suggestions that those monsters are "stolen" when they appear in 3E FR products instead of 3E core products is absurd (like claiming that the elves, dwarves, orcs, and ents in the LotR movies are derivative of D&D, when they actually come from the LotR books which heavily influenced the D&D game).* Bullywugs aren't FR-specific creatures, so their presence in the 2E MM or in Monsters of Faerun is irrelevant.* Shadow dragons are FR creatures (I'm pretty sure they were created by Ed Greenwood but I can't find the book they originally appeared in), ended up in the 2E MM, then appeared in MoF. Not "stolen."* Deep dragon? FR, from Drow of the Underdark.* Wild dwarf? Deepspawn? FR, from Dwarves Deep.* Illithid lich? FR, from Menzoberranzan.* Electrum dragon? Bone naga? Ormyrr? Doomsphere/ghost beholder? FR, from Ruins of Myth DrannorNo idea, I had nothing to do with the book that creature appears in.Because core books sell better than world-branded books of the same type.Because most of the monsters in there are core monsters rather than FR monsters.But there are a lot of FR monsters in it that people are used to using as core monsters because they appeared in the 2E MM.Because we wanted FR gamers to know it's a book they should pick up, but didn't want to put an FR logo on it so non-FR people wouldn't pick it up "because I can't use an FR book.I am surprised that the one-paragraph for each monster on "In the Realms" was enough to distract you from its utility as a generic sourcebook. If it helps, cover up the FR-specific text with liquid paper.Barring an annoying 2E-style sourcebook where you spend pages of ecology on a single monster, you really shouldn't be spending that much space on a single monster in a monster-collection book. The goal of the new 3E books was to give you books you can game with, not books that are great to read for flavor and then you put them on the shelf and never use them again. With that in mind, one paragraph per monster explaining specific FR issues and uses is not unreasonable and sufficient for most DMs' purposes.</blockquote>

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