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<blockquote data-quote="Gizzard" data-source="post: 192422" data-attributes="member: 527">&gt; After watching Crouching Tiger and Sleeping Dragon I&gt; felt how un-fantastic the jump skill is for Monks... having &gt; or not jump skill becomes of little difference.Well, having is better than not.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /> I have a Monk and he's used Balance and Jump a couple times, so its not just the Ninja campaigns.&nbsp; One thing about Balance is that its sort of like the Rogues Disarm Trap skill - see a trap and the party steps back and calls for the Rogue.&nbsp; Similarly, see a spindly bridge or a sloping, wet floor and they call for the Monk.&nbsp; (The same thing happens with Jump, but I am less happy about that since, as you say, the improvement in Jump per rank is &quot;un-fantastic&quot;.&nbsp; And its STR based instead of DEX.)&nbsp; Things like Disguise, Read Lips and Innuendo dont get used much in our campaign.&nbsp; We have no Rogue, but instead have a Bard and a Monk splitting the Rogues duties.&nbsp; Not good from an optimization standpoint, but we're getting by.[edit-&gt;] Rope Use:&nbsp; We use this all the time to tie up prisoners; to tie ropes onto stuff for climbing etc.&nbsp; Not having someone with Rope Use is almost like not having rope.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" />&nbsp; [&lt;-edit]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gizzard, post: 192422, member: 527"] > After watching Crouching Tiger and Sleeping Dragon I > felt how un-fantastic the jump skill is for Monks... having > or not jump skill becomes of little difference. Well, having is better than not. :-) I have a Monk and he's used Balance and Jump a couple times, so its not just the Ninja campaigns. One thing about Balance is that its sort of like the Rogues Disarm Trap skill - see a trap and the party steps back and calls for the Rogue. Similarly, see a spindly bridge or a sloping, wet floor and they call for the Monk. (The same thing happens with Jump, but I am less happy about that since, as you say, the improvement in Jump per rank is "un-fantastic". And its STR based instead of DEX.) Things like Disguise, Read Lips and Innuendo dont get used much in our campaign. We have no Rogue, but instead have a Bard and a Monk splitting the Rogues duties. Not good from an optimization standpoint, but we're getting by. [edit->] Rope Use: We use this all the time to tie up prisoners; to tie ropes onto stuff for climbing etc. Not having someone with Rope Use is almost like not having rope. :-) [<-edit] [/QUOTE]

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