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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4968800" data-attributes="member: 22779">Sure, no disagreement.I stated quite clearly that I have no idea how OD&amp;D worked.&nbsp; I never played it.&nbsp; No idea.&nbsp; But, I did play 1e fairly extensively.&nbsp; Throwing OD&amp;D quotes at me doesn't really address my point because that's not what I'm talking about.&nbsp; If you would like to actually talk about the same game I am, that's fine.In typical Aristo failure of basic reading skills, he attributes things to me that I never said.&nbsp; Sorry, try again.So, wouldn't that mean that it's pretty likely that characters of a given level can be assumed to have a magic weapon?Completely agree.&nbsp; I never said that the DM cannot do any of these things and any interpretation that leads you to that is entirely your own.However, I did say that the mechanics of 1e D&amp;D certainly point to the idea that you will have magic weapons by certain levels.&nbsp; Not that you bought them, not that you are gifted by the DM.&nbsp; But that there is a pretty high chance that you will have them.Again, look at the paladin.&nbsp; If no one in the group ever has more than 4 magic weapons, then the restriction of 4 magic weapons is meaningless.&nbsp; If everyone is assumed to have less than 4, then why such a strong penalty for having more?&nbsp; I would think that a hard coded limit of FOUR magic weapons generally points to the idea that at some point in the paladin's carreer, he will not only have 4 magic weapons, but will also have a chance of a 5th.That would mean, to me anyway, that magic weapons aren't all that rare in the game.&nbsp; That a DM could probably assume that a party of given level should have magic weapons of some sort.&nbsp; Maybe not a specific weapon of course. But magic weapons.Now, can the DM throw stuff at the party they aren't equiped to handle?&nbsp; Of course, that's certainly not edition specific.&nbsp; A DM can always do that.However, trying to claim that magic weapons in the game were so incredibly rare that a DM could never assume that a high level party would have magic weapons is ridiculous.&nbsp; A 5th level 1e party with a handful of +1 weapons is hardly a major Monty Haul campaign.&nbsp; It's pretty par for the course.That is, if you actually play by the rules of course.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 4968800, member: 22779"] Sure, no disagreement. I stated quite clearly that I have no idea how OD&D worked. I never played it. No idea. But, I did play 1e fairly extensively. Throwing OD&D quotes at me doesn't really address my point because that's not what I'm talking about. If you would like to actually talk about the same game I am, that's fine. In typical Aristo failure of basic reading skills, he attributes things to me that I never said. Sorry, try again. So, wouldn't that mean that it's pretty likely that characters of a given level can be assumed to have a magic weapon? Completely agree. I never said that the DM cannot do any of these things and any interpretation that leads you to that is entirely your own. However, I did say that the mechanics of 1e D&D certainly point to the idea that you will have magic weapons by certain levels. Not that you bought them, not that you are gifted by the DM. But that there is a pretty high chance that you will have them. Again, look at the paladin. If no one in the group ever has more than 4 magic weapons, then the restriction of 4 magic weapons is meaningless. If everyone is assumed to have less than 4, then why such a strong penalty for having more? I would think that a hard coded limit of FOUR magic weapons generally points to the idea that at some point in the paladin's carreer, he will not only have 4 magic weapons, but will also have a chance of a 5th. That would mean, to me anyway, that magic weapons aren't all that rare in the game. That a DM could probably assume that a party of given level should have magic weapons of some sort. Maybe not a specific weapon of course. But magic weapons. Now, can the DM throw stuff at the party they aren't equiped to handle? Of course, that's certainly not edition specific. A DM can always do that. However, trying to claim that magic weapons in the game were so incredibly rare that a DM could never assume that a high level party would have magic weapons is ridiculous. A 5th level 1e party with a handful of +1 weapons is hardly a major Monty Haul campaign. It's pretty par for the course. That is, if you actually play by the rules of course. [/QUOTE]

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