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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 9193825" data-attributes="member: 2209">Scimitars in AD&D are a bit complicated.In my 2e DMG PDF page 189 it gives the chart you are referring to with both scimitar and sword entries with a later breakdown of swords possibly being scimitars. And then even later a specific entry for scimitars of speed as a separate thing. It gives a four out of six chance that weapons will be on the chart that uses swords and entries 9-17 on a d20 roll (45%) on that chart are swords. So just shy of 1 out of 3 magic weapons are swords in the 2e charts, and just over since scimitars are entries 4-5 (10% more) on that chart.[ATTACH=full]328938[/ATTACH]This compares to 1e where swords were their own category and were 11% of all magic items and 44% of all magic weapons.[ATTACH=full]328939[/ATTACH]On page 241 of the 2e DMG it says that "Most weapons are of the specific type listed. However, 70% of swords are long swords, 20% are scimitars or broad swords, 5% are short (small) swords, 4% are bastard swords, and 1% are two-handed swords, unless the description of a specific item indicates otherwise."I have been trying to find something similar about scimitars to this in 1e for a while. I randomly generated a +6 defender scimitar for an NPC fighter in a 1e game (A1 mentions a bunch of unstatted NPCs with just race and class and level as random encounters) in the 80s that became a PC's treasured weapon for years and years and was recently trying to find references to scimitars in 1e sword stuff and have not been able to find it where I expected to.The 1e DMG has basically the same chart on page 124 as 2e but does not include scimitars in the 20% category at all.[ATTACH=full]328940[/ATTACH]It has only the Scimitar +2 on its miscellaneous weapons chart but the entry for that weapon says:[ATTACH=full]328941[/ATTACH]This matches up well to the 2e scimitar of speed entry which is also a specific item entry with a +2 default bonus and chance for varieties of bonuses:Scimitar of Speed: This is a magical weapon, usually of +2 bonus, that automatically grants its wielder the first attack in a melee round, even though some magical effect might have otherwise slowed his speed and reaction time. It also allows more than one strike in some rounds, increasing the wielder’s figure for attacks per melee round by one place, so that if one attack is normal, then the improvement is to two attacks per round. This increase in attacks is cumulative with any other bonus attacks (such as those provided by a haste spell).The order of attacks in the round is determined normally after the wielder of the scimitar of speed has made his first attack to begin activity in the round. It is possible, for instance, that a wielder entitled to three attacks in the round will attack once before any other action takes place, and then (because of poor initiative rolls or other factors) take his remaining two attacks at the very end of the round.There is a chance (25%) that the weapon will have a bonus of something other than +2; if this occurs, roll percentile dice and refer to the following table to determine the appropriate bonus:D100 Roll Type XP Value01–50 +1 2,500(normal form) +2 3,00051–75 +3 3,50076–90 +4 4,00091–100 +5 4,500Unearthed Arcana (which has the +6 defender as an option on its sword charts) on page 89 has a similar sword chart to the 1e and 2e DMG ones with slightly different percentages:"Note: 65% of swords are longswords, 20% are broadswords, 5% are falchion swords, 5% are short (small) swords, 4% are bastard swords, and 1% are two-handed swords, unless the description of a specific item indicates otherwise."There is some modification stuff in the weapons section though on 1e UA page 78 talking about Falchions and Khopesh swords."The falchion gets its name from its slightly curved, vaguely sickle-like shape. While it could be treated as a scimitar (which term generally encompasses such sword forms as sabre, yatagan, and tulwar), many medieval European falchions were much heavier and the point was actually used for thrusting. It has, therefore, been included in the forms of swords possible in an expanded AD&D game campaign. The Dungeon Master should assume that 25% of magic broadswords are falchions.""Of all magical scimitars discovered, 10% will be khopeshes."Which does not really mesh well with the page 89 sword break down which includes falchions as their own thing separate from broadswords, but not an entry for scimitar swords explicitly.1e also has the scimitar cover a bunch of similar weapons "includes Cutlass, Sabre, Sickle-sword, Tulwar, etc." which is one of the few expansive weapon proficiency categories.2e does not do so for the scimitar, when they introduce the cutlass in the Complete Fighter's Handbook they classify it as a short sword variant with a basket hilt.</blockquote>

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