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Message: <blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 1158929" data-attributes="member: 1194">Thanee - a) why should clerics get a PrC that good, when they are arguably the most powerful class already? One could make a case that the Cleric already is as strong as other PrC's, so they don't need a power-up. The Paladin class DOES.BADLY.b) I take back my "low entrance requirements" requirement for a Paladin PrC. The cost of entry is not the issue, it's what they get if they take it, and what they have to give up.c) There are many Cleric PrC's that do provide most of the benefits of the cleric class (plus more): Hospitaler, Sacred Exorcist, Radiant Servant of Pelor, Contemplative...I didn't say the PrC needed to be better in every way. Just advance the primary strengths of the class, and provide more benefits to warrant the expenditure of the entrance requirements.No Paladin PrC currently does this (save perhaps the Mithral Knight).Let me repeat that: there is currently no official or unofficial WotC PrC that is worth taking for a paladin that wants to continue in the defining abilities of a paladin.I consider that a blatant oversight.They've had time. They've had the opportunity. I've been waiting 3 years.By this time, I have to conclude that this is purposeful : WotC has unofficially decided that the Paladin is a quasi-PrC base class. Therefore, they apparently shouldn't have an "uber-Paladin" PrC the way there are for many other classes. Otherwise, it would bite into the pedastal they put the Paladin on, as a champion of Good.Here's the problem with that approach:The Paladin is too weak to be put on a pedastal.It needs help to accomplish its role: that of a butt-kicking dispenser of Justice.It can't accomplish that role COMPARED to other classes and class combinations.It is a defensive class - its abilities enhance defense, not offense. It sacrifices offensive abilities (i.e. Ftr feats) to gain weak spellcasting, one-shot offensive (Smite), and defense. Really, a Paladins' best offense is probably his mount, and that is hard to quantify, being very situation-dependant.</blockquote>

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