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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elephant" data-source="post: 2296312" data-attributes="member: 17431">Someone who can't cast 9th level spells in either Wiz or Clr is about as powerful as someone who can? I have a hard time agreeing.Spell slots:C/W/MT has 0 9th, 2+1 8th (includes domain), 4+1 7th, and lots of lower level spells.C20 or W20 has 4 each of 9th, 8th, and 7th (+1 each if Clr).That's a total of 6 extra high-power slots for the single-classed caster (7 if a Clr 20), and in general, higher level spell slots are worth more than lower level spell slots.Caster Level:C/W/MT is CL 15 in both Clr and Wiz.C or W 20 is CL 20.Lower caster level hurts the MT in two ways: Spell resistance checks and spell effects. The MT will have a harder time penetrating SR when he blasts foes with evocations, meaning more of his spells are wasted. For, say, healing spells (starting at Cure Crit), he's doing 5 HP less healing per person per casting. That really adds up when your party members are in the 150-200 max HP range.Not to mention MSD that the MT suffers from...the single-classed character can afford to pump their casting stat as high as possible, while the MT has to push BOTH Int and Wis up to 18 by 20th level.  That's not a big deal if you managed to roll two 18s on your 4d6DL, but if you're using point buy, you'll run into problems.</blockquote>