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Which PrCl would you never want in your game? (part 1 - DMG)
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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 2305364" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>You have, in a normal game, 20 levels or less to spend before the game resets. For every level you spend doing something, it costs you the ability to do something else. In exchange for high-level rogue superpowers, you gain spells that your wizard friend can already cast, save bonuses to poison that your fighter buddy doesn't need, a death attack that the cleric is better at doing through magic, and a hide in plain sight wich is piddly in comparison to invisibility.</p><p></p><p>Congrats. You now can do things that everybody else in the party could do worse than anybody else in the party could do it. This is power? This is horrendous might? This is out-of-control-might-mongering? ESPECIALLY compared to the "I'm an elf so I win!" kits?!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have ten dollars. I can spend it on many different things: a night at the movies, some gas for my car, save it for rent, buy two old 2e pdfs, etc. No matter what I spend it on, I have more than I had before I had that ten dollars, but spending it on one thing makes me unable to spend it on something else.</p><p></p><p>3.5e gives you levels. You can spend it on many different things: PrC's, advancing your base class, multiclassing, bloodline levels, powerful races, etc. No matter what you spend it on, you have more than you had before you had that level, but spending it on one thing makes you unable to spend it on something else.</p><p></p><p>If you'd like to compare it to kits, in 2e, it was like trying to give you a new dollar and take four quarters, but effectively it just gave you a free dollar, because it never really took four quarters.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure by what criteria you determine blatantly wrong or intellectually dishonest, but it seems that kits tried to give you something for nothing, while PrC's give you something for the price of a level, which is a rescource that most campaigns don't have in much abundance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 2305364, member: 2067"] You have, in a normal game, 20 levels or less to spend before the game resets. For every level you spend doing something, it costs you the ability to do something else. In exchange for high-level rogue superpowers, you gain spells that your wizard friend can already cast, save bonuses to poison that your fighter buddy doesn't need, a death attack that the cleric is better at doing through magic, and a hide in plain sight wich is piddly in comparison to invisibility. Congrats. You now can do things that everybody else in the party could do worse than anybody else in the party could do it. This is power? This is horrendous might? This is out-of-control-might-mongering? ESPECIALLY compared to the "I'm an elf so I win!" kits?! I have ten dollars. I can spend it on many different things: a night at the movies, some gas for my car, save it for rent, buy two old 2e pdfs, etc. No matter what I spend it on, I have more than I had before I had that ten dollars, but spending it on one thing makes me unable to spend it on something else. 3.5e gives you levels. You can spend it on many different things: PrC's, advancing your base class, multiclassing, bloodline levels, powerful races, etc. No matter what you spend it on, you have more than you had before you had that level, but spending it on one thing makes you unable to spend it on something else. If you'd like to compare it to kits, in 2e, it was like trying to give you a new dollar and take four quarters, but effectively it just gave you a free dollar, because it never really took four quarters. I'm not sure by what criteria you determine blatantly wrong or intellectually dishonest, but it seems that kits tried to give you something for nothing, while PrC's give you something for the price of a level, which is a rescource that most campaigns don't have in much abundance. [/QUOTE]
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