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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kem" data-source="post: 2311561" data-attributes="member: 18158">You STILL can't pick a role in a 4 member party.  You are stuck trying to do everything.How many rounds of combat are you viable for?  You do know how bad direct damage is right?  Notice that your GOOD combos above reply not on damage?You do know that the Wizard has more spells available to cast and will do more damage per spell and have a wider variety of spells to cast?You are up against DISINTIGRATE while you whip out your best two spells.  You are then up against your regular routine while you are on your BAD set of spells.As such you fail to take the wizard's role.You being alive and having to cast all those spells, on yourself, in no way matter.While you are casting those spells, you are unable to cast the wizard spells you talked about above.As such you are not as defensive as a cleric, unless you admit you are subpar as a wizard.  You are also unable to turn undead, your AC sucks due to lack of armor, your HP are low.  Set your sights lower.  The wizard loses less.  The cleric loses alot going into the Myth.As such you get to pick which you suck at.Mage has Disintegrate, you have Fireball.  Do the math.If you replace the wizard, the cleric can cast one.  If you replace the cleric the wizard can do the other.You don't have HEAL.  You can't convert that one.Replacing the cleric?  Who has more HP, Better AC due to armor, shield, not needing an Ioun stone of +1 Caster level, and HEAL so they don't need to keep casting weaker heal spells.You are not replacing the cleric, ever.  Don't even try.  The only chance you have is at replacing the wizard.  Your Buff Bot has 1 single encounter in him.  After that he's really sad.You are not replacing the fighter, who easily has 2x your HP, better AC, and better To Hit.I wouldn't with that character.  Unless you are in a party of bards (Although they could be viable if you allowed some non-core books), you will be one of the weaker character.When people whip out spells like HEAL, HARM, and DISINTIGRATE, noone really worries about fireball.  In fact, with those spells available, I'd RATHER be hit by fireball.  At least that maxes out at 90.  Heck of a lot better then 120/144.</blockquote>

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