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<blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 2316045" data-attributes="member: 307"><p>That was one of your errors, your stats are out of whack, and it gave you a Leadership score that is too high. The problem now is that you weren't able to recruit your cohort until you were 12th level (or your Leadership score to recruit them would have been lower, and your cohort would have started less powerful).</p><p></p><p>Really, the main problem with your build, and why it remains unconvincing, is that the <em>bulk</em> of your power relies upon magic items you could not get until your became 12th level. At 11th level, no ioun stones, no monk's belt, your AC is screwed, your stats go down (including your Charisma, screwing your Leadership score), you lose the caster level bonus you cherish so much.</p><p></p><p>In point of fact, the Urge build <em>only</em> looks good once you hit 12th level, and then it compared unfavorably with a single classed caster in the critical areas of save DCs, caster level, and high level spells. Your wizard spell book is a joke. Before 1th level, you cannot craft the items you use to prop yourself up (and you cannot afford many others that you are using), after 12th level, the increase in wealth swamps the impact of these items (and you start falling seriously behind in caster level).</p><p></p><p>You picked (intentionally of course) the "sweet spot" for the MT. And you still came up short.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Only in a world where the delusional reign.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That is really humorous coming from someone who doesn't understand the simple concept that "higher save DCs, higher caster level, higher levels spells = better spell caster".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course, the vast majority of people voted <em>before</em> you posted your argument, and since then, no one who has posted has thought your assessment had merit, even after seeing your "super powerful" Urge builds. What you have demonstrated, at best, is that metamagic rods are too powerful, not that the MT is a problem.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Storm Raven, post: 2316045, member: 307"] That was one of your errors, your stats are out of whack, and it gave you a Leadership score that is too high. The problem now is that you weren't able to recruit your cohort until you were 12th level (or your Leadership score to recruit them would have been lower, and your cohort would have started less powerful). Really, the main problem with your build, and why it remains unconvincing, is that the [i]bulk[/i] of your power relies upon magic items you could not get until your became 12th level. At 11th level, no ioun stones, no monk's belt, your AC is screwed, your stats go down (including your Charisma, screwing your Leadership score), you lose the caster level bonus you cherish so much. In point of fact, the Urge build [i]only[/i] looks good once you hit 12th level, and then it compared unfavorably with a single classed caster in the critical areas of save DCs, caster level, and high level spells. Your wizard spell book is a joke. Before 1th level, you cannot craft the items you use to prop yourself up (and you cannot afford many others that you are using), after 12th level, the increase in wealth swamps the impact of these items (and you start falling seriously behind in caster level). You picked (intentionally of course) the "sweet spot" for the MT. And you still came up short. [i][/i] Only in a world where the delusional reign. [i][/i] That is really humorous coming from someone who doesn't understand the simple concept that "higher save DCs, higher caster level, higher levels spells = better spell caster". [i][/i] Of course, the vast majority of people voted [i]before[/i] you posted your argument, and since then, no one who has posted has thought your assessment had merit, even after seeing your "super powerful" Urge builds. What you have demonstrated, at best, is that metamagic rods are too powerful, not that the MT is a problem. [/QUOTE]
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