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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kem" data-source="post: 2317692" data-attributes="member: 18158">More dishonesty.That Hybrid party cannot cast the same spells as the Normal Party.  Not until 3 levels after it.In the Hybrid Party, they can only raise the dead 3 levels after the normal party can do it.They can't Teleport for 3 levels after the normal party can do it.Getting the cleric raised from the dead can be done via scroll (rogue), friendly spellcaster in a town, or they can just roll up another.Your arguement isn't that they are too powerful, its that they can do too much.Interesting.  Thats all you think the wizard has?The Caster Level difference is 3.  Below is a nice list of the top 4 spell levels, and how the 2 compare on just the spells listed in the spells per day list.[code]7th : 4(Wiz  +1), 3(Wiz  +2), 2(Myth +2), 1(Myth +3)8th : 4(Wiz  +2), 3(Even --), 2(Myth +2), 1(Myth +3)9th : 5(Wiz  +1), 4(Wiz  +2), 3(Myth +2), 2(Myth +3) 10th: 5(Wiz  +2), 4(Even --), 3(Myth +2), 2(Myth +3)That should be enough to show the pattern that follows until you hit 19 with the wizard (no 10th level spells).  You trade 1.5 of the highest level and 1 of the higest level (on average) for 2 of the 3rd highest level and 3 of the 4th highest level spells.You can make the 2nd highest and lower spells higher in your favor, but then you trade even MORE highest level spells.  And there is still every odd level where you don't have [i]either[/i] of the 2 highest level spells.The wizard has 3 caster levels, and 1.5 [i]spell levels[/i] on you.  Those 1.5 spell levels mean that you have to wait till level 12 to teleport, the NORMAL party does it at level 9 when you can't even cast greater invisibility, divine power, or your Empowered Scorching Ray.  The Normal Wizard is already empowering Fireball, casting teleport wall of force, or whatever other [i]5th level spells[/i] they happen to have.  Enjoy your 3rd level spells.There are things the Hybrid party can do that the normal party cannot, and there are things the normal party can do that the hybrid can't.  Its a trade off.[/code]</blockquote>

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