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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 2320427" data-attributes="member: 307">The funny thing is it's not really "more". It's "about as many, but far less powerful".The straight wizard has 2 7th, 4 6th, and 1 5th level spell slot than Urge does not have. His save DCs are higher. His initiative rolls are better.Urge has 3 1st, 3 3rd, and 1 3rd evel spell slot that the Wizard does not have. Urge can use freedom of movement for three rounds per day, and reroll one roll per day. Urge can (sort of) turn undead. Urge has better Will saves, and a few more hit points. Urge has an AC advantage that is completely negated if Wizard casts shield (and quibbling over a 22 AC vs. a 20 AC at 12th level is silly).So, offset(1) the freedom of movement ability (its not even as powerful as a 4th level spell) and higher Will save bonus against the 5th level spell slot the wizard gets.(2) the reroll ability against a 6th level spell slot.(3) the turn undead ability, AC and extra hit points against the better intiative, better skills, and higher save DCs (being able to turn undead as a 3rd level cleric at 12th level is not even that useful).And you still have to stack up 2 7th level spell slots and a 6th level spell slot, against Urge's 3 1st level slots, 3 2nd level slots, and 1 3rd level slot. One fairly common method of comparing spell slots to one another is to square the level of the spell = 1st level spells = 1, 2nd level spells = 4, and so on (since spell slots do not scale up in a linear fashion).So, the Wizard, using this method, would have a power score for the Wizard of 134, while Urge has a 24 for this set of spells. Just counting spell levels, Wizard is ahead 20 to 12.</blockquote>

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