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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8711172" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Then....you have conceded what I was claiming, so I am confused as to why you seemed to be contesting the point. My point is, the above list of options (though the intent has been explained as &quot;what others think&quot; and not Reynard's personal thoughts) reflects this bizarre belief that 4e Essentials is exactly the same level of difference as that between 3.0 and 3.5e, yet for whatever ungodful reason PF1e is lumped in with 3.5e despite making vastly more changes than Essentials ever did (which, again, is  zero, because they are literally the exact same game, one just has more options in it.)If you wouldn't call Tasha's a new edition, then I don't really care whether you feel it has noteworthy distinctions in it or not; a poll about &quot;which edition do you enjoy playing&quot; should not separate 5e that way because that's not an edition distinction. Much less the distinction between &quot;original&quot; 4e and Essentials.Also like... Tasha's didn't suddenly rewrite 5e. Literally no content from the PHB has been lost or deprecated as a result of the publication of Tasha's. There are new options, and some of those options are strong, but they are things you must opt into and which do not radically affect the gameplay or experience. I know you have this bugaboo about racial ability bonuses and the like, but there is nothing about Tasha's which makes it a new ruleset. It is the same ruleset with more options than before, exactly the same as every other splatbook ever published.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8711172, member: 6790260"] Then....you have conceded what I was claiming, so I am confused as to why you seemed to be contesting the point. My point is, the above list of options (though the intent has been explained as "what others think" and not Reynard's personal thoughts) reflects this bizarre belief that 4e Essentials is exactly the same level of difference as that between 3.0 and 3.5e, yet for whatever ungodful reason PF1e is lumped in with 3.5e despite making vastly more changes than Essentials ever did (which, again, is [I] zero[/I], because they are literally the exact same game, one just has more options in it.) If you wouldn't call Tasha's a new edition, then I don't really care whether you feel it has noteworthy distinctions in it or not; a poll about "which edition do you enjoy playing" should not separate 5e that way because that's not an edition distinction. Much less the distinction between "original" 4e and Essentials. Also like... Tasha's didn't suddenly rewrite 5e. Literally no content from the PHB has been lost or deprecated as a result of the publication of Tasha's. There are new options, and some of those options are strong, but they are things you must opt into and which do not radically affect the gameplay or experience. I know you have this bugaboo about racial ability bonuses and the like, but there is nothing about Tasha's which makes it a new ruleset. It is the same ruleset with more options than before, exactly the same as every other splatbook ever published. [/QUOTE]

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