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Which Ranger do you prefer, the original 1E ranger or the UA ranger?
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<blockquote data-quote="T. Foster" data-source="post: 3888053" data-attributes="member: 16574"><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> There are no thief abilities for rangers in UA. The most substantive change to the ranger class in UA was the stricture that they had to choose among a certain subset of weapons for their initial proficiencies and weren't allowed to go outside that group until they had one from each group (which wouldn't be until 7th level, or higher if the ranger was a weapon-specialist). I never had any problem with this rule, especially in the context of the other UA classes (cavaliers and barbarians (and, later, hunters) also had mandated proficiencies that they had to take before being able to choose other weapons). The only other changes to the ranger in UA were the addition of weapon specialization (which is a big change that drastically alters the shape of the game, but since it's actually a change to the fighter and not the ranger specifically I'm not counting it), the more detailed tracking rules (which are probably unnecessarily complex, but not offensively so), and the extended list of "giant class" creatures (including those from FF and MM2). </p><p></p><p>All the big flavor-altering changes to the ranger -- two-weapon fighting, thief skills, prohibition on heavy armor, "to hit" bonus against "favored enemy" of player's choice instead of damage bonus vs. giant class, (more? -- it's been ~17 years since I've looked at the 2E PH; did 2E rangers still get extraordinary followers at high level? m-u and druid spells? the ability to use crystal balls? were there still the prohibitions against more than 2 rangers working together, owning more treasure than they could carry, or hiring henchmen prior to 8th level?) -- all happened in 2E, not UA.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="T. Foster, post: 3888053, member: 16574"] :confused: There are no thief abilities for rangers in UA. The most substantive change to the ranger class in UA was the stricture that they had to choose among a certain subset of weapons for their initial proficiencies and weren't allowed to go outside that group until they had one from each group (which wouldn't be until 7th level, or higher if the ranger was a weapon-specialist). I never had any problem with this rule, especially in the context of the other UA classes (cavaliers and barbarians (and, later, hunters) also had mandated proficiencies that they had to take before being able to choose other weapons). The only other changes to the ranger in UA were the addition of weapon specialization (which is a big change that drastically alters the shape of the game, but since it's actually a change to the fighter and not the ranger specifically I'm not counting it), the more detailed tracking rules (which are probably unnecessarily complex, but not offensively so), and the extended list of "giant class" creatures (including those from FF and MM2). All the big flavor-altering changes to the ranger -- two-weapon fighting, thief skills, prohibition on heavy armor, "to hit" bonus against "favored enemy" of player's choice instead of damage bonus vs. giant class, (more? -- it's been ~17 years since I've looked at the 2E PH; did 2E rangers still get extraordinary followers at high level? m-u and druid spells? the ability to use crystal balls? were there still the prohibitions against more than 2 rangers working together, owning more treasure than they could carry, or hiring henchmen prior to 8th level?) -- all happened in 2E, not UA. [/QUOTE]
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