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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8491813" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Or he's referring to the more recent editions of WFRP, where PCs definitely are sturdier than any D&D PCs except 4E ones. They didn't stop making WFRP in the '90s, you know! Even in the '90s, though, the 2E WFRP characters were a little bit harder to kill than L1 D&D characters. That wasn't to say they were hard to kill though!</p><p></p><p>I'm struggling to think of an non-OSR/non-PF (so essentially D&D) fantasy RPGs where the PCs <em>aren't</em> tougher (at the very least) than L1 D&D PCs, so actually it is a lot.</p><p></p><p>More competent is something that's infinitely arguable, but I'd say it's extremely common for fantasy RPGs to have PCs as or more competent than L1 D&D PCs. In fact I think if we really look hard at it we'd find an awful of fantasy RPGs had starting characters who had more in common with L3 PCs.</p><p></p><p>Even with level-based games like Earthdawn, the starting point of toughness (and arguably competence) is a lot higher.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8491813, member: 18"] Or he's referring to the more recent editions of WFRP, where PCs definitely are sturdier than any D&D PCs except 4E ones. They didn't stop making WFRP in the '90s, you know! Even in the '90s, though, the 2E WFRP characters were a little bit harder to kill than L1 D&D characters. That wasn't to say they were hard to kill though! I'm struggling to think of an non-OSR/non-PF (so essentially D&D) fantasy RPGs where the PCs [I]aren't[/I] tougher (at the very least) than L1 D&D PCs, so actually it is a lot. More competent is something that's infinitely arguable, but I'd say it's extremely common for fantasy RPGs to have PCs as or more competent than L1 D&D PCs. In fact I think if we really look hard at it we'd find an awful of fantasy RPGs had starting characters who had more in common with L3 PCs. Even with level-based games like Earthdawn, the starting point of toughness (and arguably competence) is a lot higher. [/QUOTE]
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