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Which standard classes have you never (or very rarely) seen played? (Edited)
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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7867190" data-attributes="member: 6750235"><p>Based on what evidence?</p><p></p><p>If it were part of 4e it would have been branded 4e like all the other 4e products. The 4e branding was clearly removed from Essentials and rebranded with "Essentials".</p><p></p><p>Essentials is not a supplement. Supplements do not require a core rule book to provide the game mechanics and 2 player rule books to reprint 7 classes, leave 1 out, and add another 1 that was already printed later. These are the basic books for Essentials:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Dungeons & Dragons Rules Compendium</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Monster Vault</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Heroes of the Fallen Lands</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Heroes of the Forgotten Kingdoms</em></li> </ul><p>The rules compendium does not use or direct players back to 4e source books. There were lines stating that the way to add additional features was through <em>Insider</em>, however. For example, the Essentials fighter explicitly stated that there was one epic destiny available. Additional epic destinies would be available through supplements or <em>Insider.</em> That clearly demonstrates disassociating from the 4e core books.</p><p></p><p>Essentials also gave each base class individual progression tables for powers. That was a large step away from the universal table 4e was using. That also included adding real subclasses in the heroic tier.</p><p></p><p>Essentials was clearly a self contained system that changed the class list and progression table mechanics. The system branding reinforces that. I included it because it's a different set of classes than 4e presented, which is the point.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 7867190, member: 6750235"] Based on what evidence? If it were part of 4e it would have been branded 4e like all the other 4e products. The 4e branding was clearly removed from Essentials and rebranded with "Essentials". Essentials is not a supplement. Supplements do not require a core rule book to provide the game mechanics and 2 player rule books to reprint 7 classes, leave 1 out, and add another 1 that was already printed later. These are the basic books for Essentials: [LIST] [*][I]Dungeons & Dragons Rules Compendium[/I] [*][I]Monster Vault[/I] [*][I]Heroes of the Fallen Lands[/I] [*][I]Heroes of the Forgotten Kingdoms[/I] [/LIST] The rules compendium does not use or direct players back to 4e source books. There were lines stating that the way to add additional features was through [I]Insider[/I], however. For example, the Essentials fighter explicitly stated that there was one epic destiny available. Additional epic destinies would be available through supplements or [I]Insider.[/I] That clearly demonstrates disassociating from the 4e core books. Essentials also gave each base class individual progression tables for powers. That was a large step away from the universal table 4e was using. That also included adding real subclasses in the heroic tier. Essentials was clearly a self contained system that changed the class list and progression table mechanics. The system branding reinforces that. I included it because it's a different set of classes than 4e presented, which is the point. [/QUOTE]
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