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<blockquote data-quote="CreamCloud0" data-source="post: 9407739" data-attributes="member: 7034710">i don't thing your argument for magic being desired holds much water, magic is incorporated to a significant majority of options in 5e and is one of the strongest most effective resources in the game often with obstacles only it can overcome, so the fact it's hard to design a character without magic and are in fact likely limiting your options if you don't use it i think gives little validity to your position.a battlemaster fighter doesn't ask for a magic weapon to use magic, they ask for it because dang near everything has resistance against nonmagical damage so they require it to make sure their baseline effectiveness is not cut in half every other fight.magic is a choice, but it is a choice with significant consequences on you if you refuse it, picking martial or magic is a choice between a bare essential calculator or a laptop to do your accounting, and that laptop comes with it's own calculator, spreadsheets, statistics, data filtering and expense analysers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CreamCloud0, post: 9407739, member: 7034710"] i don't thing your argument for magic being desired holds much water, magic is incorporated to a significant majority of options in 5e and is one of the strongest most effective resources in the game often with obstacles only it can overcome, so the fact it's hard to design a character without magic and are in fact likely limiting your options if you don't use it i think gives little validity to your position. a battlemaster fighter doesn't ask for a magic weapon to use magic, they ask for it because dang near everything has resistance against nonmagical damage so they require it to make sure their baseline effectiveness is not cut in half every other fight. magic is a choice, but it is a choice with significant consequences on you if you refuse it, picking martial or magic is a choice between a bare essential calculator or a laptop to do your accounting, and that laptop comes with it's own calculator, spreadsheets, statistics, data filtering and expense analysers. [/QUOTE]

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