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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 9408339" data-attributes="member: 7635"><p>At 10th level. Halfway through your adventuring career (optimistically, closer to the end by most campaign standards). And you can retrain 1 spell per level, so any spells below 5th level are swapped once per level. Meaning a dance bard who wants shield and haste (two staples of gish builds) have to be at least 12 level to get them. Compare to what a 12th level 2024 monk is doing, the dance bard is just a pale imitation.</p></blockquote><p></p>