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<blockquote data-quote="eyebeams" data-source="post: 3257508" data-attributes="member: 9225">The EU has so many different hands in the pot that once you accept it, I don't think you can coherently talk about what Star Wars is. I mean, think about what Jedi would be like if we used Clone Wars as a model! Even the movies are inconsistent for the sake of filmcraft. Lots of people point to ATOC as evidence that Jedi aren't that hot, but really, I think the filmmakers just realized that having Jedi jump around in large numbers would look very silly, like locusts with glowsticks in wide shots -- and would be expensive, too.What you have to ultimately think of is what you think of when you think of *playing* a Jedi and being cool --and that usually ends up looking something like Obi-Wan, who's the closest thing to a PC-type the series has (Anakin's the actual protagonist, but he loses PC status partway through -- maybe he's a walkon part for a player that the GM revives for plot points later<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" />). You see him &quot;level up,&quot; even -- and the GM recycles him as an NPC in the next trilogy/campaign. Aside from that, you have Luke as a PC type, but he's definitely a multiclassed type of pilot before committing to his training in ROTJ. ESB is actually interesting because Luke has some d20 style traits; his force powers are not spectacular, but you can see how his experience outside Jedi training helps him. Basically, his Pilot ranks, BAB and saves are heroic, though his absolute experience with the Force is not that extensive.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="eyebeams, post: 3257508, member: 9225"] The EU has so many different hands in the pot that once you accept it, I don't think you can coherently talk about what Star Wars is. I mean, think about what Jedi would be like if we used Clone Wars as a model! Even the movies are inconsistent for the sake of filmcraft. Lots of people point to ATOC as evidence that Jedi aren't that hot, but really, I think the filmmakers just realized that having Jedi jump around in large numbers would look very silly, like locusts with glowsticks in wide shots -- and would be expensive, too. What you have to ultimately think of is what you think of when you think of *playing* a Jedi and being cool --and that usually ends up looking something like Obi-Wan, who's the closest thing to a PC-type the series has (Anakin's the actual protagonist, but he loses PC status partway through -- maybe he's a walkon part for a player that the GM revives for plot points later:-)). You see him "level up," even -- and the GM recycles him as an NPC in the next trilogy/campaign. Aside from that, you have Luke as a PC type, but he's definitely a multiclassed type of pilot before committing to his training in ROTJ. ESB is actually interesting because Luke has some d20 style traits; his force powers are not spectacular, but you can see how his experience outside Jedi training helps him. Basically, his Pilot ranks, BAB and saves are heroic, though his absolute experience with the Force is not that extensive. [/QUOTE]

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