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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 9312594" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>And there would be plenty who was say the very same thing about your claims. Frankly, whenever you start asserting to me that anthropologist has facts or a sociologist is a scientist, I'm inclined to just tune you out. I don't think either field is well noted for rigor or has reached the level of maturity that we could take their assertions as proven facts. </p><p></p><p>I'm less interested though in litigating this than you are as I'm not aligned with either side of this argument, though I'm not particularly inclined to giggle or mock either side of the dispute as well.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is a gross simplification of what is at stake. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I just finished watching a total eclipse that can be calculated using our models down to the second and even meter to a very high degree of precision. This is a very high standard of evidence in favor of the heliocentric globe model that I don't see in evidence in of the social "sciences". Heck, I'm published in bioinformatics and my wife is many times over published in biochemistry and human understanding in these fields tends very much toward, "This is our best guess at the moment." So I tend to be a lot more understanding of disputes in some areas than I am in harder fields of science with higher evidentiary standards. </p><p></p><p>Though heck, I could sympathize with someone who concurs the Earth isn't flat but isn't convinced yet the sun does not revolve around it. That the Earth isn't flat can be proven with observations that aren't too hard to make and which don't require levels of precision that an average observer would find challenging. Proving for yourself the Earth really goes around the sun rather than merely trusting someone else has proven it requires sophisticated and pain staking observation few people could make.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I wonder how you think this is refutation of my central points in this discussion which is that alignment is quite broad and each encompasses multiple philosophies and justifications for believing it. If you want to point out that real-world belief systems also have wide philosophical disparity on how they are rationalized and justified and implemented by society, this does the actual points I care about in this thread no harm, as I am really interested in alignment and not real-world political views.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 9312594, member: 4937"] And there would be plenty who was say the very same thing about your claims. Frankly, whenever you start asserting to me that anthropologist has facts or a sociologist is a scientist, I'm inclined to just tune you out. I don't think either field is well noted for rigor or has reached the level of maturity that we could take their assertions as proven facts. I'm less interested though in litigating this than you are as I'm not aligned with either side of this argument, though I'm not particularly inclined to giggle or mock either side of the dispute as well. This is a gross simplification of what is at stake. I just finished watching a total eclipse that can be calculated using our models down to the second and even meter to a very high degree of precision. This is a very high standard of evidence in favor of the heliocentric globe model that I don't see in evidence in of the social "sciences". Heck, I'm published in bioinformatics and my wife is many times over published in biochemistry and human understanding in these fields tends very much toward, "This is our best guess at the moment." So I tend to be a lot more understanding of disputes in some areas than I am in harder fields of science with higher evidentiary standards. Though heck, I could sympathize with someone who concurs the Earth isn't flat but isn't convinced yet the sun does not revolve around it. That the Earth isn't flat can be proven with observations that aren't too hard to make and which don't require levels of precision that an average observer would find challenging. Proving for yourself the Earth really goes around the sun rather than merely trusting someone else has proven it requires sophisticated and pain staking observation few people could make. I wonder how you think this is refutation of my central points in this discussion which is that alignment is quite broad and each encompasses multiple philosophies and justifications for believing it. If you want to point out that real-world belief systems also have wide philosophical disparity on how they are rationalized and justified and implemented by society, this does the actual points I care about in this thread no harm, as I am really interested in alignment and not real-world political views. [/QUOTE]
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