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<blockquote data-quote="teitan" data-source="post: 1787533" data-attributes="member: 3457"><p>I used to prefer the Ol' Grey Box, loved it and coupled with the FR series of sourcebooks it was a great setting without too much twinkiness. The novels weren't so intrusive that they couldn't be ignored and some of the more harrowing aspects of the world hadn't been introduced. The OGB was kind of like Greyhawk but better. The different regions were more clearly seperate and better detailed, the deities seemed cooler and the world just seemed more ripe for adventure whereas Greyhawk (at the time I started playing) really began to develop a political bent. The Forgotten Realms just seemed to be ready for any kind of adventure. Of course, these were the impression of a 14 year old just learning to play the game and I hadn't really gotten to see the cooler Greyhawk stuff. Dragonlance was my preferred setting at that time though.</p><p></p><p>In 2e... man we played in the Realms using the OGB but eventually 2e got unwieldy. The FR stuff got more and more over the top with the uber-mensch's and general levels of magic got sick. I am not a low magic kind of player, not a high magic either, I just preferred the general levels of magic that the DMG etc suggested. The sourcebooks were all over the place references wise and I was royally TICKED that the gold box and later reprints didn't include the spheres of the priestly types of different deities, an element of AD&D 2e that was created with the Realms in mind and they totally ignore it and direct you to look in a sourcebook that was OOP!!!!! WTF. Make it a part of your core product people!</p><p></p><p>Now with 3e... man is it cool. A lot of the elements of the 2e version that I didn't like are either de-emphasized, made moot or discarded altogether. The world became playable again without novel support and the general feel of the OGB has been retained and the FR series kind of lives on in the sourcebooks for the regions. Prestige classes seem to really bring membership in the various orgs like the Purple Dragons and War Wizards to bear as more than lip service and at the same time make it something you have to work towards instead of taking a kit at first level. The 3e cleric kind of makes it feel like you are an acolyte learning the ropes and then taking a Prestige Class for the Deity means you are a true priest of that god. You earned it as opposed to it being handed to you. As far as the world information we get a geography every bit as flavourful as the 1e OGB but also adds material and gives a lot of great hints about the regions as far as adventuring goes. ABout the only complaint I have is that they don't have many city maps in the book. I want more city maps to use.</p><p></p><p>Overall, I really like 3e FRCS. I have a lot invested in 3e material for FR and no matter how much I love Eberron I think that the Forgotten Realms is the only place I care to adventure at this time. Were I to run any other edition FR it would be the 2e rules with the OGB and FR series alongside the FRA. I didn't like the addition of Kara Tur, Maztica, Zakhara etc. to the Realms, it was unnecessary and all those settings deserves to stand on their own. At the rate they were going I was surprised we didn't find out that one of those uncharted continents was Mystara and the other Greyhawk. I hope to never see these return as 3e FR material, except maybe Kara Tur. Leave the rest alone.</p><p></p><p>Jason</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="teitan, post: 1787533, member: 3457"] I used to prefer the Ol' Grey Box, loved it and coupled with the FR series of sourcebooks it was a great setting without too much twinkiness. The novels weren't so intrusive that they couldn't be ignored and some of the more harrowing aspects of the world hadn't been introduced. The OGB was kind of like Greyhawk but better. The different regions were more clearly seperate and better detailed, the deities seemed cooler and the world just seemed more ripe for adventure whereas Greyhawk (at the time I started playing) really began to develop a political bent. The Forgotten Realms just seemed to be ready for any kind of adventure. Of course, these were the impression of a 14 year old just learning to play the game and I hadn't really gotten to see the cooler Greyhawk stuff. Dragonlance was my preferred setting at that time though. In 2e... man we played in the Realms using the OGB but eventually 2e got unwieldy. The FR stuff got more and more over the top with the uber-mensch's and general levels of magic got sick. I am not a low magic kind of player, not a high magic either, I just preferred the general levels of magic that the DMG etc suggested. The sourcebooks were all over the place references wise and I was royally TICKED that the gold box and later reprints didn't include the spheres of the priestly types of different deities, an element of AD&D 2e that was created with the Realms in mind and they totally ignore it and direct you to look in a sourcebook that was OOP!!!!! WTF. Make it a part of your core product people! Now with 3e... man is it cool. A lot of the elements of the 2e version that I didn't like are either de-emphasized, made moot or discarded altogether. The world became playable again without novel support and the general feel of the OGB has been retained and the FR series kind of lives on in the sourcebooks for the regions. Prestige classes seem to really bring membership in the various orgs like the Purple Dragons and War Wizards to bear as more than lip service and at the same time make it something you have to work towards instead of taking a kit at first level. The 3e cleric kind of makes it feel like you are an acolyte learning the ropes and then taking a Prestige Class for the Deity means you are a true priest of that god. You earned it as opposed to it being handed to you. As far as the world information we get a geography every bit as flavourful as the 1e OGB but also adds material and gives a lot of great hints about the regions as far as adventuring goes. ABout the only complaint I have is that they don't have many city maps in the book. I want more city maps to use. Overall, I really like 3e FRCS. I have a lot invested in 3e material for FR and no matter how much I love Eberron I think that the Forgotten Realms is the only place I care to adventure at this time. Were I to run any other edition FR it would be the 2e rules with the OGB and FR series alongside the FRA. I didn't like the addition of Kara Tur, Maztica, Zakhara etc. to the Realms, it was unnecessary and all those settings deserves to stand on their own. At the rate they were going I was surprised we didn't find out that one of those uncharted continents was Mystara and the other Greyhawk. I hope to never see these return as 3e FR material, except maybe Kara Tur. Leave the rest alone. Jason [/QUOTE]
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