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<blockquote data-quote="Jefe Bergenstein" data-source="post: 8072954" data-attributes="member: 31506">The ranger is more or less all ribbons though, and bad ones at that. Whatever minor crap they get is easily eclipsed by having a real caster. If you replaced the party's ranger with a druid, you'd be better off at exploration and combat. Getting a second shot with a bow at the cost of full caster progression is a terrible trade. Go read Find the Path and tell me what a ranger can do that is worth trading that spell.The ranger is also pretty pathetic compared to the paladin, the other &quot;hybrid&quot; class. The spellcasting is terrible, considering it is a &quot;spells known&quot; class. The paladin almost gets more bonus spells always prepared than the ranger gets to even know, AND knows everything on their list. To compound matters, ranger specific spells are more or less trash, particularly at the level you get them. The paladin gets the grotesquely broken aura, which breaks the concept of bounded accuracy, and the ranger has nothing which even comes close. You could give them BOTH subclass features in the PHB and maybe they'd be OK.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jefe Bergenstein, post: 8072954, member: 31506"] The ranger is more or less all ribbons though, and bad ones at that. Whatever minor crap they get is easily eclipsed by having a real caster. If you replaced the party's ranger with a druid, you'd be better off at exploration and combat. Getting a second shot with a bow at the cost of full caster progression is a terrible trade. Go read Find the Path and tell me what a ranger can do that is worth trading that spell. The ranger is also pretty pathetic compared to the paladin, the other "hybrid" class. The spellcasting is terrible, considering it is a "spells known" class. The paladin almost gets more bonus spells always prepared than the ranger gets to even know, AND knows everything on their list. To compound matters, ranger specific spells are more or less trash, particularly at the level you get them. The paladin gets the grotesquely broken aura, which breaks the concept of bounded accuracy, and the ranger has nothing which even comes close. You could give them BOTH subclass features in the PHB and maybe they'd be OK. [/QUOTE]

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