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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 5834515" data-attributes="member: 92511">Well...that's all well and good, that they make it palatable like that...but does that speak to the &quot;archetype&quot; of a fantasy &quot;warlock&quot;? I have no problem with them being &quot;grey&quot;...but they will not/should not expect to always be so...cuz some infernal is holding their &quot;soul&quot; as collateral.A mortal ought not be able to &quot;out deal/find a loophole&quot; with a &quot;devil&quot;. This is what devils DO. Even when it looks like its to your advantage, it's still to theirs...ultimately...somehow.An explanation with no &quot;in-game&quot; consequence is of no use to anyone.Well, other than the folks who have this &quot;cake and eat it too/entitled&quot; mentality...which I feel D&amp;D should not be condoning or enforcing. Certainly not &quot;defining&quot; within a class.yes. It's a game. Yes. It's about &quot;fun&quot;. If you want power in this fashion/to play a warlock...then have fun with it...with the obvious/necessary &quot;pay back&quot; at some point. Devil's don't make &quot;losing&quot; propositions (in the sense that a fantasy/mythical construct creature, like a devil, &quot;does&quot; anything). Yeah, see...this.Entering into such a &quot;pact&quot; shouldn't just be &quot;I wanna be a warlock and get these powers and in-game fun stuff...consequences?! Wut's is 'consequences'?&quot;Again, my take on them...and why I do not use/have them [as PCs] in my games.--SD</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 5834515, member: 92511"] Well...that's all well and good, that they make it palatable like that...but does that speak to the "archetype" of a fantasy "warlock"? I have no problem with them being "grey"...but they will not/should not expect to always be so...cuz some infernal is holding their "soul" as collateral. A mortal ought not be able to "out deal/find a loophole" with a "devil". This is what devils DO. Even when it [I]looks[/I] like its to your advantage, it's still to theirs...ultimately...somehow. An explanation with no "in-game" consequence is of no use to anyone. Well, other than the folks who have this "cake and eat it too/entitled" mentality...which I feel D&D should not be condoning or enforcing. Certainly not "defining" within a class. yes. It's a game. Yes. It's about "fun". If you want power in this fashion/to play a warlock...then have fun with it...with the obvious/necessary "pay back" at some point. Devil's don't make "losing" propositions (in the sense that a fantasy/mythical construct creature, like a devil, "does" anything). Yeah, see...this. Entering into such a "pact" shouldn't just be "I wanna be a warlock and get these powers and in-game fun stuff...consequences?! Wut's is 'consequences'?" Again, my take on them...and why I do not use/have them [as PCs] in my games. --SD [/QUOTE]

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