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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3455132" data-attributes="member: 2011">If your friends are calling you stupid, they should look in the mirror. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> In the single shot case and the two extra shots at -4 case, the rifle obviously outperforms the repeater with damage. No need to even go into those. The rifle also has the -2 to hit one extra attack mode which the repeater does not. No need to go into that option that the repeater does not even have.So, the only thing to compare is the rifle at -4 for two extra attacks versus the repeater at -6 for three extra attacks.Say your PC has a 50% chance to hit straight up.With the rifle, the most attacks per round he could get is 4 at -4 each: 30% + 30% + 30% + 5% = 95% * 3D8 = 12.825 average damage per roundversuswith the repeater, the most attacks per round he could get is 5 at -6 each: 20% + 20% + 20% +20% + 5% = 85% * 3D6 = 8.925 average damage per roundFor a 50% chance to hit (which is fairly typical at 7th level for a combatant type), the rifle averages more damage with 4 shots than the repeater does with 5 shots.Even if the PC has a normal 95% chance to hit (i.e. needs to roll a 2 normally), the rifle still does more average damage in this scenario:With the rifle, the most attacks per round he could get is 4 at -4 each: 75% + 75% + 75% + 50% = 275% * 3D8 = 37.125 average damage per roundversuswith the repeater, the most attacks per round he could get is 5 at -6 each: 65% + 65% + 65% +65% + 40% = 300% * 3D6 = 31.5 average damage per roundSorry, but your friends are way wrong.</blockquote>

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