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<blockquote data-quote="DestroyYouAlot" data-source="post: 4029291" data-attributes="member: 36618"><p>To the OP: Hey, OP. </p><p></p><p>Re: Your crappy player</p><p></p><p>Yecch. Find a way to not game with this guy. No gaming is better than bad gaming. </p><p></p><p>The "woe is me" refrain whenever he's up against something that (in his infinite wisdom as a player) he believes he can't handle is one thing. (From your description, the main problem was players not having paid attention - certainly something players can be counted on from time to time, but there it is - and while supporting a powerful NPC is an oft-repeated cliche of "bad gaming," done right, and sparingly, it can be perfectly valid and exciting.) Then he has the gall to complain when they have an <em>easy</em> encounter? (WEER POWARFUL, ONLY POWARFUL FOES SHOULD DARE TO TEST OUR MIGHT, ROOOAR) The moaning and groaning when his superstar wizard was forced into a support role for a few minutes is another. (Guess what? Sometimes you don't get to be the star of the show, Mango.) But stamping his little feet and going off to stand in the corner and sulk when he can't sling fireballs for five minutes? Completely inexcusable. Did the other players seriously stand for this? His reaction to losing a few items here and there, after all that, is somewhat unsurprising; however it's a fate that - from the sound of it - he sorely deserves. (Wonder how his PC'd fare against a well-planned ambush from those 3rd level rogues without all his shiny toys? Ahhh, but it's never good to GM angry. Must be tempting, though.)</p><p></p><p>You can find good gamers. You can find good GMs. If he acts like this on the regular, show him the door. You're worth it; there's too little time for GOOD gaming to have to waste it dealing with chumps like this.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As for the less-than-helpful responses above: You got a lot of flack for no reason, from folks who sound like they'd probably be no fun to game with too. You got a lot of assumptions of bad faith on your part. (You used a powerful ally for the party? OMG YOU GMPC-LOVING MARY SUE LOSER. You pit your PCs against some long odds, even though they had an ace up their sleeves? READ THE DMG, N00B.) (For the record, I'm conversant with the d20 take on D&D, ran it for a while, and the numbers and terms you folks are using are familiar to me - they just make you sound like very boring, whiny players. The invoking of the RAW as somehow denying a GM the freedom to plan his encounters the way he likes is particularly galling, and quite wrong.) Rest assured that - assuming your representation of the situation is relatively accurate - you have plenty of reason to complain, and my sympathies.</p><p></p><p>Just out of curiosity, how is this guy as a GM?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Terms like "underperforming" are nearly everything that's wrong with D&D nowadays.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DestroyYouAlot, post: 4029291, member: 36618"] To the OP: Hey, OP. Re: Your crappy player Yecch. Find a way to not game with this guy. No gaming is better than bad gaming. The "woe is me" refrain whenever he's up against something that (in his infinite wisdom as a player) he believes he can't handle is one thing. (From your description, the main problem was players not having paid attention - certainly something players can be counted on from time to time, but there it is - and while supporting a powerful NPC is an oft-repeated cliche of "bad gaming," done right, and sparingly, it can be perfectly valid and exciting.) Then he has the gall to complain when they have an [i]easy[/i] encounter? (WEER POWARFUL, ONLY POWARFUL FOES SHOULD DARE TO TEST OUR MIGHT, ROOOAR) The moaning and groaning when his superstar wizard was forced into a support role for a few minutes is another. (Guess what? Sometimes you don't get to be the star of the show, Mango.) But stamping his little feet and going off to stand in the corner and sulk when he can't sling fireballs for five minutes? Completely inexcusable. Did the other players seriously stand for this? His reaction to losing a few items here and there, after all that, is somewhat unsurprising; however it's a fate that - from the sound of it - he sorely deserves. (Wonder how his PC'd fare against a well-planned ambush from those 3rd level rogues without all his shiny toys? Ahhh, but it's never good to GM angry. Must be tempting, though.) You can find good gamers. You can find good GMs. If he acts like this on the regular, show him the door. You're worth it; there's too little time for GOOD gaming to have to waste it dealing with chumps like this. As for the less-than-helpful responses above: You got a lot of flack for no reason, from folks who sound like they'd probably be no fun to game with too. You got a lot of assumptions of bad faith on your part. (You used a powerful ally for the party? OMG YOU GMPC-LOVING MARY SUE LOSER. You pit your PCs against some long odds, even though they had an ace up their sleeves? READ THE DMG, N00B.) (For the record, I'm conversant with the d20 take on D&D, ran it for a while, and the numbers and terms you folks are using are familiar to me - they just make you sound like very boring, whiny players. The invoking of the RAW as somehow denying a GM the freedom to plan his encounters the way he likes is particularly galling, and quite wrong.) Rest assured that - assuming your representation of the situation is relatively accurate - you have plenty of reason to complain, and my sympathies. Just out of curiosity, how is this guy as a GM? Terms like "underperforming" are nearly everything that's wrong with D&D nowadays. [/QUOTE]
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