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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Slaygrim" data-source="post: 4035064" data-attributes="member: 59401">Wow!  So many responses to a thread that I though was gone and buried.  I only made it through the first page of responses before writing this up.Okay guys, allow me to explain a little bit more here.This campaign is designed to tie into an epic campaign I will be running at a much later date.  I was well aware of the power of the NPC's but they were necessary considering the next campaign.  I never told the players the levels of the NPC's, but they like to "guess" and discuss amongst themselves rather than stay in character.  I'm more of a roleplaying person and the rest of my group is more into playing the game to roll the dice.  I wouldn't want to discuss the levels of the NPC's any more than is necessary, but these players are different.Yes, there is a huge difference between gaming style in the group.  The problem is that we don't know many other gamers.  I recently called up an old friend to see if he would join the group as he is more of a roleplayer.  Now that the whiner player is taking over as the DM, I am hoping my old friend and myself will be able to "set the tone" of our group by roleplaying our characters more.  I hope the other players will have a better influence in that regard and become more into the story of the game rather than the dice.As per this encounter, I see it as part of the story.  The NPC's had done enough damage to innocents and to the PC's for them to stop amongst themselves and say, "Oh well, they are too powerful.  Let's leave." but that was the attitude this player was displaying.  HIs CHARACTER who is supposed to be a hero was being played like a gamer playing a fake character with too much information.  I think if he is roleplaying he will fight to the death if needs be.  Besides, he should trust me that I am not going to wipe out the characters.As for the battle, yes, it appeared overpowering.  But that's why you play the game.  Because it WASN'T.  The whole idea was that the ritual was going down and it was a race against time.  The 19th level wizard could not participate in the initial battle because he had to finish the ritual before the PC's interfered.When the PC's ran into the 19th level wizard immediately after, the wizard (and the PC's knew this before hand) had already battled through this dungeon himself, expending spells.  So he was depleted some.  I did this to a point to bring him down to an acceptable level of challenge.  Yes, the PC's may not have put the pieces together, but the whining began before finding out on their own, and continued afterward even after getting through the battle.And this isn't common.  Normally the PC's have been walking through encounters.  Yes, there has been a strong opponent here or there but they have overcome all.  And these aren't typical 10th level characters.  They are characters maximized.  The PC's each designed their characters to be very powerful and each had their fair share of magical items.  In fact, they were carrying around magic items to the equivalent of 15th level characters.  Their magical buffs were still up as well.The point is, that the whining isn't just for this, it's constant.  Over nearly everything.  A battle is too easy.  A battle is too hard.  A battle doesn't let me work my abilities.  A spell ruins my character.  All of this is out of character whining.  I just wish they'd play their damned character.__________As far as the Iron Golems.  They weren't put in the adventure to nerf the PC.  They were not the only encounters either.  The first dungeon had 2 Iron Golems, and the rest were undead that he could battle.  He still whined about the Iron Golems.  To the point to where I had to redesign the final dungeon and replace the golems with Helmed Horrors so he could "fight".  There were other creatures too.  It wasn't as if the entire gaming session had the golems, it was a couple battles, nothing more.I will go back and try to read more of the responses here.</blockquote>

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