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<blockquote data-quote="Mr. Beef" data-source="post: 4039645" data-attributes="member: 44124"><p>As someone who has only been on the Players side of the DM screen, and want's to try out his DMing prowress in the future, I'm going to try to stay balanced on my comment's without leaning to one side or the other.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I understand that a whining player is bad for everyone involved and sometimes makes you reconsider being the DM, but I think that you two are over the ages of angst (ages 13-18) and you want to make everything good for all the parties involved. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Does he think that they are a bit too powerful for just him to take on by himself or for the entire party? If it's just him then I think he may be justified in whining, but he could probably bring it up in another fasion after the session is over and you can talk it out like adults. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Do the characters know the levels of their opponents or are they just guessing? Anyone with access to a MM will know the challenge level of a Beholder (13 if they have not changed anything). This makes me think that maybe you might have thrown a bit too much their way. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They may have forgotten because you threw a lot of stuff their way between their last encounter with the Wizard and this encounter. I know that in one of the games I used to play we all tried to remember bits and pieces of things, but sometimes people forget things and we got to a point where someone always kept notes. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This sounds like he has less to gripe about, but again how did they know this Wizard was level 15? I understand that things sometimes slip out or players sometimes see things that they should not see when they get up for a break, but how do they know this? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think 4 level 10 characters and a level 15 NPC might have a shot, but then again I have never faced these kinds of odds before. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This sounds like Metagaming to me and that is something that needs to be avoided. I think if this Wizard knew he was going to be facing 5 characters that have just buzzsawed through characters that are between 3 and 6 levels above them then the Wizard would have cast Time Stop a long time ago and did his ritual and been done with them afterwards. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>DON'T stoop to his level. Set an example of how a player should play by just playing your character to the back story you have written and don't gripe about a thing. If you feel you need to gripe about how something is being done, do it after the game. I'll state this again for the record: DON'T STOOP TO HIS LEVEL.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mr. Beef, post: 4039645, member: 44124"] As someone who has only been on the Players side of the DM screen, and want's to try out his DMing prowress in the future, I'm going to try to stay balanced on my comment's without leaning to one side or the other. I understand that a whining player is bad for everyone involved and sometimes makes you reconsider being the DM, but I think that you two are over the ages of angst (ages 13-18) and you want to make everything good for all the parties involved. Does he think that they are a bit too powerful for just him to take on by himself or for the entire party? If it's just him then I think he may be justified in whining, but he could probably bring it up in another fasion after the session is over and you can talk it out like adults. Do the characters know the levels of their opponents or are they just guessing? Anyone with access to a MM will know the challenge level of a Beholder (13 if they have not changed anything). This makes me think that maybe you might have thrown a bit too much their way. They may have forgotten because you threw a lot of stuff their way between their last encounter with the Wizard and this encounter. I know that in one of the games I used to play we all tried to remember bits and pieces of things, but sometimes people forget things and we got to a point where someone always kept notes. This sounds like he has less to gripe about, but again how did they know this Wizard was level 15? I understand that things sometimes slip out or players sometimes see things that they should not see when they get up for a break, but how do they know this? I think 4 level 10 characters and a level 15 NPC might have a shot, but then again I have never faced these kinds of odds before. This sounds like Metagaming to me and that is something that needs to be avoided. I think if this Wizard knew he was going to be facing 5 characters that have just buzzsawed through characters that are between 3 and 6 levels above them then the Wizard would have cast Time Stop a long time ago and did his ritual and been done with them afterwards. DON'T stoop to his level. Set an example of how a player should play by just playing your character to the back story you have written and don't gripe about a thing. If you feel you need to gripe about how something is being done, do it after the game. I'll state this again for the record: DON'T STOOP TO HIS LEVEL. [/QUOTE]
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