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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gothmog" data-source="post: 4043632" data-attributes="member: 317">Exactly- Slaygrim admitted he's a novice DM, and was also asking for advice in addition to venting about a crappy player.  He clearly stated that the NPC aiding in the fight was a setup for events in the following campaing, and had not used an NPC for a similar purpose in another fight previously in that campain at all.  And clearly the group didn't have trouble with the runic guardian or beholder- they mowed over them in 2 rounds.  True the Wiz 15 got lucky and toasted the Sor 16 with a spell, but those things happen in D&D.  And if the Wiz was occupying the Sor, then it sounds like the next round the party melee specialists would have carved the sorcerer into a million little pieces.  Bad move on the part of Slaygrim to make an "outclassing" encounter?  Maybe- but he did also take into account that the villian NPCs used up a lot of resources to battle through the dungeon- which is a GOOD DM move.  Bad move on the player's part to throw a whiny temper tantrum?  Most definitely.Then, the "nerfing" of the wizard PC.  As I have said before, and other posters- the wizard PC wasn't useless in the iron golem fights.  He could buff other party members, use terrain modifying spells (wall of force for example), or summon critters to help take the heat off the front-line PCs.  And Slaygrim said repeatedly this was NOT a common occurrance- it only happend in two cases in the campaign.  This player expected to be able to evoke and blast 24/7 and never have to modify his tactics- which is a really stupid move on the part of the player to be honest.  He built a one-trick pony for a PC, and when his one trick didn't work, he threw a temper tantrum and blamed the DM for "screwing" him.  Sorry bub, you screwed yourself- no pity from me there.Both of these occurrances were exceptions to the rule in Slaygrim's campaign, not the norm.  Plus, he told us of preivous experience with the guy throwing temper tantrums during a duel with another PC wizard, and that the other players were bothered by the whiner's behavior and one was thinking of leaving.  Further, he told us that the other players didn't have a problem with the game- more with the problem player.  The icing on the cake is the whiner complaining about an easy encounter.  The problem here isn't Slaygrim's- its the whiner player.  Several posters rode Slaygrim hard about his DMing, while apparently not even reading or paying attention to his comments as he posted- and he got more and more frustrated.  I can definitely see why.  Did he make some mistakes?  Yes- and he admitted to them.  That takes some maturity to do so, and I commend him for that.  He's trying to learn and improve his game.  On the other hand, the whiner isn't contributing anything- in fact, by all accounts, he is DETRACTING from Slaygrim's and his players enjoyment of the game.  In fact, the whiner acts like he is "entitled" to whatever he wants, and uses whining tactics to get it.  Here's the deal bub- you want to treated like an adult, you have to act like one- then you'll earn respect instead of scorn, and rightfully deserved mocking.  I feel for Slaygrim- he came here wanting to vent yes, but also for advice about how to handle this player.  Instead, he got barbed and criticized by posters who identified with the whiner (for whatever reasons- I'll leave it at that), and who didn't even apparently read his posts, just scolded him for "badwrongfun" DMing.  I've dealt with whiner players before (see my preivous posts) and crappy DMs.  Slaygrim isn't a crappy DM, but this player is most certainly a jackass and not worth keeping around.  If you're still reading this Slaygrim, keep up the good fight, and don't cave in to this guy.  If he keeps acting like this, don't be afraid to exclude him from the group and boot him- and don't feel bad about booting him- this guy would try anybody's patience.  And though it might not mean much, please accept my apologies for how you were treated here- IME most folks here are pretty helpful and civil.  You apparently just happened to get unlucky and draw a lot of flack from whiner player,  player entitlement sympathizers.</blockquote>

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