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<blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 4044335" data-attributes="member: 6957"><p>Yes, I did read all of Slaygrims's posts. Yes, he did lay the majority of the blame on the player. And yes, I knew that the events were not in the same adventure - if <strong>you</strong> had bothered reading <strong>my</strong> posts you would have seen that they are in fact written of as separate events. I stand by what I said. His own words, in the post that went into more detail was 'As per this encounter, I see it as part of the story.' And that is why I do not feel that he was sharing <em>any</em> part of the blame.</p><p></p><p>I do agree that I could and should have been more politic - but at no point did he accept blame. His excuse is 'it's okay because it is storytelling' and he then goes on to describe the ritual that is the excuse to keep the 19th level wizard out of the fight.</p><p></p><p>Both Rakhir and Felix went into much better depth, my annoyance was with his saying that it was okay because he had the game on rails. A fixed battle with an assured outcome. The 'leftovers' alone were capable of killing the party, even without calling in the 19th level artillery. For it to go otherwise was a bit of sham.</p><p></p><p>And to be fair - the bulk of my responses were not to Slaygrim, but to folks defending those encounters, who were taking the stance that it was the player who was entirely in the wrong. Slaygrim at the end was reacting not only to my posts to him, but to my posts to others who had commented. </p><p></p><p>I will apologize to that extent - to my mind I was not hitting Slaygrim over the head repeatedly, but other moles that were popping out of their holes. The effect is the same however, and for that I do apologize. I was treating each post as a separate argument, and replying in kind, the effect was me repeating myself over each time the same argument came up. Slaygrim had no reason to know what was going on in my mind, and in that light his response makes a tad more sense. </p><p></p><p>He and I would both have been better served had I left the arguments to lie, though that is against my nature. It was not my intent to annoy him to the point where he got himself a temporary ban. I was not the one who called attention to that portion of his post, feeling that he was in high temper at that point. I would have responded to that post, possibly in more conciliatory a form.</p><p></p><p>That was part of the reason I started the other thread, on how a player should approach problems with a DM - I have had much more experience as a DM than as a player, and wanted to actually gain some advice that might be useful. I know how I handle and avoid such matters in my own games, I do not know how a player should handle it in someone else's.</p><p></p><p>And again, I am hitting a mole rather than responding to Slaygrim. At least I am consistent....</p><p></p><p>The Auld Grump</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheAuldGrump, post: 4044335, member: 6957"] Yes, I did read all of Slaygrims's posts. Yes, he did lay the majority of the blame on the player. And yes, I knew that the events were not in the same adventure - if [B]you[/B] had bothered reading [B]my[/B] posts you would have seen that they are in fact written of as separate events. I stand by what I said. His own words, in the post that went into more detail was 'As per this encounter, I see it as part of the story.' And that is why I do not feel that he was sharing [I]any[/I] part of the blame. I do agree that I could and should have been more politic - but at no point did he accept blame. His excuse is 'it's okay because it is storytelling' and he then goes on to describe the ritual that is the excuse to keep the 19th level wizard out of the fight. Both Rakhir and Felix went into much better depth, my annoyance was with his saying that it was okay because he had the game on rails. A fixed battle with an assured outcome. The 'leftovers' alone were capable of killing the party, even without calling in the 19th level artillery. For it to go otherwise was a bit of sham. And to be fair - the bulk of my responses were not to Slaygrim, but to folks defending those encounters, who were taking the stance that it was the player who was entirely in the wrong. Slaygrim at the end was reacting not only to my posts to him, but to my posts to others who had commented. I will apologize to that extent - to my mind I was not hitting Slaygrim over the head repeatedly, but other moles that were popping out of their holes. The effect is the same however, and for that I do apologize. I was treating each post as a separate argument, and replying in kind, the effect was me repeating myself over each time the same argument came up. Slaygrim had no reason to know what was going on in my mind, and in that light his response makes a tad more sense. He and I would both have been better served had I left the arguments to lie, though that is against my nature. It was not my intent to annoy him to the point where he got himself a temporary ban. I was not the one who called attention to that portion of his post, feeling that he was in high temper at that point. I would have responded to that post, possibly in more conciliatory a form. That was part of the reason I started the other thread, on how a player should approach problems with a DM - I have had much more experience as a DM than as a player, and wanted to actually gain some advice that might be useful. I know how I handle and avoid such matters in my own games, I do not know how a player should handle it in someone else's. And again, I am hitting a mole rather than responding to Slaygrim. At least I am consistent.... The Auld Grump [/QUOTE]
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