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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 4045173" data-attributes="member: 18280">Cute.  Say that three times fast, if you can.I allow that, in general, communication always has a certain amount of "unclarity" inherent in it, and that Slaygrim is not more unclear than many posters to this (or any other) forum.  This is an artifact not only of language, but also (as in this case) that a person is not always trying to get across the minutia of a point.  Even so, saying "you should listen better" while not listening is a classic example of irony.  Pointing out that it is a classic example of irony doesn't in any way, shape, or form, damn unclarity in comprehension.(And, in case it isn't clear, that's not an insult intended or implied to TheAuldGrump either; it's the kind of thing I'm sure I would do without realizing it, and probably have done in the past.)A clarification, taken at face value, should always be accepted as clarifying an earlier statement.Naturally....but within the context of useful response, it might be better to channel what they think the other side should ideally say, not what the other side might say.  Ideally, the other side would tell Slaygrim that he might want to talk to his other players, and that he might want to consider both what they have to say and his DMing overall.  Ideally, the other side would want to avoid confrontational language, and what might seem like "attacks" because, ideally, the other side would want Slaygrim to become a better DM.However, the poster responding to Slaygrim might also realize that, as it is Slaygrim who has asked for advice, and not the other party, it might be helpful to Slaygrim if he was given the benefit of the doubt.In other words, IMHO, an ideal response would address both the idea that Slaygrim might have DMing issues, and that the "alleged whiny player" might be at fault.  Ideally, the responding poster might point out that whining is never the best way to resolve a problem as well.Speaking of unclarity, what are you trying to say here?  Is DestroyYouAlot the "AWP" in question?  Or are you attempting to insult one or both of us?Hmmm....Again, an ideal response would address both the idea that Slaygrim might have DMing issues, and that the "alleged whiny player" might be at fault.  Ideally, the responding poster might point out that whining is never the best way to resolve a problem as well.  I imagine that there must be some way to view that as "listen[ing] to the one side while disregarding the possibility of another", but I guess I just don't see it.Before you paint that brush in too broad of strokes, you might want to go back and see what I wrote.And none of this responds to the point that I made, and have since repeated, that even if there were dozens of iron golems, this would not be a case of bad DMing on that basis.  But, then again, that's probably that sense of perception of mine again.RCP.S.:  "Unlcarity" is a great word.  I don't think I've encountered it before.</blockquote>

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